MMP Ep 337: Using your Human Design in Parenting with Erin Claire Jones
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Jess Gaertner: I am so excited. I know y'all have been tuning in for a while and we rarely get to do guest episodes anymore and we have a guest today that I am so excited about because it is something that I am incredibly interested in and based on y'all's feedback y'all are also incredibly interested in. So I have Erin Claire Jones here To discuss human design.
Jess Gaertner: I, [01:06:00] I'm just like baffled that we haven't had a human design episode and all this time, but Aaron, thank you so much for coming on and sharing your wisdom with us
Erin Claire Jones: today. Oh my gosh. I'm so honored to be here. Thank you so much for having me.
Jess Gaertner: Well, I'm going to read, read the listeners, your bio, just in case they haven't come across you on interwebs, I feel like you're kind of a big deal on the human design world, but we'll give them a, an update on who you are and what you've done and all that goodness.
Jess Gaertner: So. Aaron Claire Jones uses human design to help thousands of individuals and companies step into their work and their lives as their truest selves and to their highest potential. Her work as a guide, coach, and speaker has attracted a growing community of over 250, 000 people who turn to her teachings for practical tools, digestible tips, and deeper self knowledge they can access to live with greater ease and authenticity every single day.
Jess Gaertner: With work featured in Forbes, MindBodyGreen, Well and Good, and Nylon, words shared on over 250 podcasts, such as almost 30, That's So [01:07:00] Retrograde, Highest Self, and Chatty Broads, and conversations with crowds of hundreds around the world, Aaron's insights are highly sought after because they make human design pragmatic, tangible, accessible, and immediately applicable to everyday life.
Jess Gaertner: You've got quite the resume, Erin! That is, it's so fun to like, I don't know, it's like I've been following you for a while, we've done a session which I'm sure we'll kind of touch on together, and you are so knowledgeable and just such a calming presence, but now to kind of see everything that you've done, how long have you been doing human design?
Erin Claire Jones: Um, so I was introduced to human design in 2015, and that's when I started my first human design business, which, you know, subsequently failed. I walked away from that in 2017. It was really early, you know, no one knew what human design was, and it was pretty, it felt really hard to get it out into the world.
Erin Claire Jones: And then... I began my second human design practice, you know, a few months later in 2017. And so I've been doing that one, you know, ever since, but I've been working with human design for about nine years. [01:08:00] Oh my
Jess Gaertner: gosh. And you know, we, we have a saying here on the podcast that there's no failure, only feedback.
Jess Gaertner: And I feel like part of our. Even though you quote unquote failed in that first launch of your business, I feel like you probably learned a ton from that experience to help you kind of get to this point. Am I, am I close?
Erin Claire Jones: Oh, absolutely. You know, I think that the way that I was doing it with a partner I had at the time just, you know, wasn't the right fit.
Erin Claire Jones: And I think walking away from that just made it so clear, Oh, there's another way to do it. That actually feels much more aligned than the minute I started doing that things started to grow. And I mean, there are obviously so many pieces to that story, but I just think it's a good reminder sometimes because we can look at people and we're like, wow, like how they do the thing.
Erin Claire Jones: And like, often it's pretty rocky behind the scenes, you know, the journey there is often not super smooth. So it's, it's amazing to have been able to do all these things. And also it's been a wild journey.
Jess Gaertner: Well, I mean, and just to segue into kind of that discussion of human design, we are today, we're going to be talking with you about human design.
Jess Gaertner: We're definitely going to be, because to be totally [01:09:00] honest, when I first started digging into human design, I was completely overwhelmed because it's like, I mean, essentially it's easy to figure out quote unquote who you are, but that in terms of like diving in and like what that means. There's a chart and there's like all of these lines and colors and just so much to it that I was like, okay, I don't know.
Jess Gaertner: I know I'm a generator and let's just start there. But there's a lot of layers to it. There's so much to it. And just to kind of. On that like failure and feedback and growth and all of that, I was reading through, I think it was my daughter's chart and one of her things was like, she is gonna, she has to like learn a bunch of stuff in her thirties and then in her forties, like, it's just, it's just amazing because I feel like even our human design can help us kind of make sense of some of those pathways that we've had in our life or that are ahead.
Jess Gaertner: And I'm just so excited about it. So today we're going to really dive into some of the [01:10:00] basics. Thanks. But we're really going to show how we can use what we learn from our designs and from our children's designs to apply to like parenting. And I won't say parenting better, but maybe parenting with more, with just more tools, more insight, more knowledge, maybe some more intentionality when it comes to.
Jess Gaertner: Our needs as a human and also our kids needs and how they all kind of intertwine and work together and how they're different. I just I love it so much. So we're really going to dive into that today. Have you done many like parenting sessions where you kind of look at the family unit and talk about that?
Jess Gaertner: Or is this kind of a new
Erin Claire Jones: like way for you? I've done a lot of family sessions. They're often some of my favorite sessions to do because I think human design can be applied to basically everything, you know, to our health and building a business and to building a team and all the things. But I think the most.
Erin Claire Jones: potent and powerful application of human design is to parenting because we're [01:11:00] often given an opportunity as parents like before a child get, get conditioned by everything out in the world that just give them such permission to be who they are. And I think human design is such an amazing tool to understand our child and give them that permission from day one, because I will just say so often I sit with people, adults, and they felt so much permission to be who they were at the beginning of their lives.
Erin Claire Jones: And then they kind of walked away from it and human design brought them back to it. But I think when I bring it into parenting, we, like I said, we give them that permission from the outset. Oh, I love that
Jess Gaertner: so much. I feel like if we can equip parents, because a lot of our listeners are already parents, or they're in the stage where they're like, kind of planning, thinking, dreaming about being a parent.
Jess Gaertner: And so I feel like if we can equip people before we even get into that role, just to the mindset, I think is huge. And so if we can equip people with that kind of knowledge and thought process, I I mean, I think we can empower so many people. I'm, I'm so excited. So before we dive in and you kind of told us a little bit about your story, but is there anything you want to elaborate?
Jess Gaertner: Tell [01:12:00] us kind of like how you got here, why you're passionate about what you're doing? Is there anything we haven't touched on that you want to share in terms of like, why, why this is your
Erin Claire Jones: thing? Of course, you know, I, human design was not the path that I expected to pursue, you know, and I know we'll talk more about what human design is, but it is a system based on your time, date and place of birth that reveals how you are uniquely wired to thrive, whether it's as a parent, a child, an entrepreneur in work, everything.
Erin Claire Jones: And I, so I, like I said, I discovered human design in 2015, I had been working at a number of different startups in New York city at the time, and I was happy, but also not like, Oh my God, this is my thing. I was enjoying myself. I was 25 and I sat next to a stranger at a friend's gathering and he asked to read my human design chart and I had never heard of human design nor had anyone I knew is like super fringe at that moment in time, but he proceeded to give me the most accurate, insightful reading I'd ever received in my whole life.
Erin Claire Jones: And he just gave words to things I'd always [01:13:00] known to be true about myself, but never given myself permission to step into, and it actually felt quite confronting because I had not been living my design at all, and I've been like, No, I can't do that. No, I have to be like this. And so it just felt like such a powerful mirror.
Erin Claire Jones: And I think that I would have been so taken with the system, but I'm not sure I would have built a career around it. But he actually ended that conversation by saying, Aaron, I think you're meant to do this. And I think we're meant to do it together. And you know, human design is not predictive. He just was really acting based on a gut feeling and potential that he observed in my chart.
Erin Claire Jones: And so he really invited me into studying and human design with him. And so that's how it all began. And I think he, we built a business together for two years before I went off on my own and why I decided to say yes to this really weird cookie system that was totally not popular or cool at the time was that it was equal parts mystical and practical.
Erin Claire Jones: It felt mystical in that it was based on our birth information and it gave us so much specific [01:14:00] information that like, I'm like, how in the world would anyone ever know this about me because it's just like, it's my internal experience, but it's also really practical. It gives us ways to actually integrate all that information into our day to day life to improve communication with our kids or with our partners to work in more effective and productive ways, you know, to market in a way that actually works for us.
Erin Claire Jones: So. I think that that's what I feel like we need more than anything else is not just more information, but ways to actually apply that information. And I think human design has done that more powerful than any other system I've seen. And you know, there are so many amazing systems. But for me, this one just hit differently.
Erin Claire Jones: Oh, I love
Jess Gaertner: that so much. Yeah. And I feel like, you know, I personally am a huge fan of I don't, I don't know what the correct term is, but like, I love the Enneagram. I love human design. I love, you know, all of these, these kind of tests or systems that have emerged, I feel like really, really more popularly in the last, like probably [01:15:00] 30 years or so.
Jess Gaertner: I just, I love it because I like getting insight into myself. And while I think. You know, I, I actually went on and got certified as an Enneagram coach because I was like, really, I mean, it's just so interesting to me. But again, at the end of the day, when people ask me about it, I'm like. This is just one tool to kind of help you get more insight.
Jess Gaertner: Like people are always like, you're an idiot. Like, you know, you, it's rigid, it's so structured. And I'm like, yes, but like, only if you look at it from that way, you know? Yes. So I kind of wanna talk about that and explore again, what is human design. I always say, you know, Enneagram is one test. It's not the only test.
Jess Gaertner: And so I love getting people more broader. experience and insight using these things. So, okay, I feel like this is the million dollar question. What is human design? Where did it come from? What are the main types? You know, there's a lot to [01:16:00] kind of sift through there. But if you want to kind of give us your, your, I'm sure you have somewhat of an elevator pitch, probably a lot longer than a minute, but kind of enlighten us.
Jess Gaertner: What is it? How can we use it? What are the main aspects
Erin Claire Jones: of it? Of course. So human design is a system, like I said, that's based on your time, date and place of birth, but it basically gives us a blueprint to how we are wired to operate in every area of our life. And so it lets us know how we're designed to use our energy each day, how we best communicate, how to create opportunities, how to make decisions, how to navigate challenges that will often rear their head often, you know, how to leverage our strengths and just so much more.
Erin Claire Jones: So I think we often say that we come into this life without an operating manual and human design quite literally gives us that manual. But I also want to just acknowledge, like you said, that human design is one tool of many. And I think it's so much around how we present it. I have chosen to work with a lot of teams and more corporate environments.
Erin Claire Jones: And so I work with a lot of skeptics. And so I just love what [01:17:00] you shared about the Enneagram. And I present human design very similarly, where I'm just like, this is an amazing tool, but it's also just that a tool. So, you know, use this if it feels empowering, expansive, supportive. Don't if it doesn't.
Erin Claire Jones: Absolutely. You know, and if the thing doesn't resonate, throw it out the window. You know, I, I've never tried to convince people of anything. Like I don't see it as absolute truth. I just see it as a tool. And I think my approach to human design is that what matters most is not whether it's true, but whether it's useful.
Erin Claire Jones: Oh my gosh, I love that. It's just been a helpful approach. And I worked with, you know, tens of thousands of people now and like. I wouldn't do it if it wasn't useful, but I think I find it to be so useful, especially for the people that don't want to be useful. They're like, I don't want to believe you, Erin.
Erin Claire Jones: This is so kooky. And then they're like, but please give me everything because it's so awful. But anyways, I'm getting off track. I think, you know, to your Initial point of kind of the information it can give us. One thing I would just add, I know we're going to dive into some details today is that human design is so specific.
Erin Claire Jones: It's not a thing where you're gonna be like, Oh, you and your daughter have the same design. How wild. Like you might share an aspect, but there are [01:18:00] hundreds of thousands, bajillions of configurations. So everybody's incredibly unique. So it brings such a beautiful specificity. And then in terms of where it came from, The origins are mystical.
Erin Claire Jones: Do you know the story? I don't, I don't. I'd love to hear. So the founder of human design, his name was Ra Uhuruhu. He's no longer alive. But he had a really mystical experience in 1987. He was living in Ibiza and he walked home one night and heard a voice. And the voice said, it's time to work. And for basically eight days and eight nights, he channeled this system, meaning he just received all this information seemingly out of nowhere, and then spent the next 20 years building it out.
Erin Claire Jones: And the way that he received it was that human design pulls from many different systems from astrology to Kabbalah to the I Ching to the chakra system, all the kind of weaves together to give us this blueprint of how we operate at our best. But the origins are really mystical, you know, and so I love saying that to companies.
Erin Claire Jones: That's so interesting. And also just being like, again, what matters is whether it's useful, [01:19:00] not whether it's true. But I think human design has really grown in popularity in the last like five or six years because there are more people, one of many, that are sharing it in more accessible, empowering, less dogmatic ways.
Erin Claire Jones: But it draws from many, many ancient systems and kind of just builds upon it. And I think a way that has really resonated with people. Wow. That's pretty wild, right? Yeah, that is pretty
Jess Gaertner: wild. Okay, so now that we know where it came from, kind of tell us. I'm pretending like I know nothing. There are types, right?
Jess Gaertner: There are four or five types? Okay, five types. So what? And I feel like those are the main things. When you ask people like, what's your human design? People will be like, I'm a generator. I'm a XYZ, insert, whatever. So can you tell us about those types and maybe just like a basic rundown of each
Erin Claire Jones: of them? Of course.
Erin Claire Jones: So. In human design, like you said, there are five types. Think of it as like your sunset in astrology. It is such an integral piece of your design, but it's the first piece. So again, [01:20:00] just because you and a child or you and a partner are both the same type doesn't mean you're the same. It means that you share a piece around how to use your energy most productively, but there's so much more underneath it.
Erin Claire Jones: So the five types are generators, manifesting generators, projectors, reflectors, and manifestors. Do you want me to apply this to parenting as we talk about it briefly? Yeah, that would be great.
Jess Gaertner: I think that a lot of people listening, it would probably, it would
Erin Claire Jones: resonate well. Cool. And we can talk about it kind of more when it relates to kids when we maybe talk about your kids.
Erin Claire Jones: Yeah. So let's talk about generators first because you are a generator and I will keep it as brief as possible. So generators are really here to be very natural doers. They have such extraordinary capacity to make things happen when they are so genuinely lit up and satisfied and excited by what they're doing.
Erin Claire Jones: And so I would say one of your biggest lessons in life is to really prioritize your own satisfaction and see that not as a selfish choice, but actually is the thing that will give you the most energy and actually uplift everyone around you with your energy. It's like you're such a powerful, bright sun battery, you know, when you're really lit up by what you're doing and people can't help but want to be [01:21:00] around you.
Erin Claire Jones: And so an ideal day for generators is often one where you wake up, where you wake up excited and inspired and energized, you kind of use up your energy throughout the way and throughout the day in ways that feel satisfying. And you drop in a bed just like delightfully spent. You're like, I've used it all up.
Erin Claire Jones: I'm exhausted. And now I can sleep well at night. Generators are not designed to chase after things. You are really meant to wait for things to come to you and light up your gut before you go after them. When it comes to parenting, one thing I'll just share is that so many generators I've sat with, especially new parents, feel so guilty for creating space to kind of pursue their passions or the things that are exciting them, whether it's work or beyond, but it's actually the thing that gives them the most energy.
Erin Claire Jones: And so often in my journey with them, it's around kind of learning how to create space for that without guilt and knowing that like a lit up generator is a gift to the world and especially a gift to your children. Curious how that feels to you.
Jess Gaertner: Oh yeah. I, I was just, I'm running through the last year or so has been a really, really hard and it's definitely kind of leaked into My [01:22:00] resiliency at home to parent to be present to just wake up with energy to, you know, my kids are in school.
Jess Gaertner: So like you get time away from each other. But when they get home, it's like, yeah, it's it's just it's a radical shift from like years the previous years where I have felt really like lit up. And so that, that really resonates. I see that. I see that.
Erin Claire Jones: And it's useful to look back and just be like, Oh, these are moments in which I was doing this.
Erin Claire Jones: These are moments in which I wasn't like, I do that all the time, you know? And so I think that it can be useful to just be aware of that. So we know how to get back on track. So manifesting generators are quite similar and I believe you have one manifesting generator Kim. And so they're also very natural doers.
Erin Claire Jones: The difference is they're often quite multi passionate doers. So they often like moving their energy in between many things at once. They can't really be confined into one box. These are my clients that are like, I'm a coach. I also just opened a bakery. I'm also like a practicing attorney. And I'm thinking about like this new patent I want to apply for.
Erin Claire Jones: And I'm like, how in the world that [01:23:00] for them, that like that kind of varied career and like all the passions at once, it's like the most satisfying thing for them. But you can imagine that many people make themselves wrong for that, especially as kids, you know, I worked with a parent of a manifesting genitor child and he was so frustrated.
Erin Claire Jones: He was like, Erin, like she's doing everything. She was in soccer, lacrosse, basketball, like she won't choose just one. And I was like, she's not meant to, you know, it's so natural for her to try on and let go of things, give her space to do it. And manifesting generators are also quite quick. They can find the quickest way to make something happen, but often can skip a few steps along the way.
Erin Claire Jones: So it's nice to have a lot of space to kind of move fast and be in their flow. They also are meant to let things come to them like you and kind of wait for their gut to light up in response and when it applies to parenting, it's very similar what I share for generators, you know, creating space to kind of do the things that light you up and that you're passionate about will give you so much energy that you can kind of pour out and everything else you do and and can have such kind of an uplifting, bright, powerful impact.
Erin Claire Jones: You know, influence on the people around you. I love that. I think
Jess Gaertner: we [01:24:00] haven't done his chart, but I did like just quickly input his information. My husband, I believe, is a man is testing generator as well. So we're all we're like a family of Manifesting and generator, like all of it's, it's, that's what
Erin Claire Jones: we are.
Erin Claire Jones: It's amazing. Honestly, it's kind of nice because you have so many doers. Like I grew up in a house where none of us were, I were any of these types, you know? And so now I'm in a, I have a manifesting generator daughter, a generator husband, and I'm just learning a new way that's, you know's. Good. Yeah.
Erin Claire Jones: That's amazing. But, but it's amazing to kind of have so much creative energy and power in your house because you guys can keep up with each other. Oh yeah, definitely. So then we've got projectors. Projectors are really here to be. Leaders, guides, teachers, advisors, they're often so sensitive to and wise about people, which is why they often find themselves in positions like CEO or manager or coaching people or guiding them in some capacity and asking the right questions.
Erin Claire Jones: A big distinction here is that projectors are not here to be consistent doers. And so as projectors, I'm a projector, so I'll use our, but our [01:25:00] energy ebbs and flows. You know, so we aren't meant to go, go, go all day long. So having pockets of rest and pause in our days is so essential. And that's been a really big lesson for me as a new mom.
Erin Claire Jones: I've just, instead of feeling guilty, been like, it's okay to go lie on the bathroom floor for 10 minutes, you know, to have, be alone for a moment, because I just like, I can sense how quickly I can burn out if I don't give myself that space. And as projectors, we're really here to be invited into things.
Erin Claire Jones: And so, you know, the right opportunities are often the ones where somebody looks at us and they're like, you are the one that's meant to do this. And we really feel recognized by them. And if you think back to how I shared, how I entered human design, that was exactly it. Somebody was like, Erin, you're meant to do this.
Erin Claire Jones: And I was like, am I? Okay. You know, and it felt right, which is why I said yes, but I would encourage the projectors to kind of pay attention to the invitations. Is that similar?
Jess Gaertner: You had mentioned something similar, or maybe I read it in my own chart. Well, as a generator, you're. Am I? You're meant to respond, right?
Jess Gaertner: Is it similar or how is that similar slash different?
Erin Claire Jones: It's different and it's a great question. [01:26:00] So as a generator, when I talk about responding, and this will be true for generators and manifesting generators, it means that you're not meant to chase after anything in your life. You're meant to wait for things to show up in your world and light up your gut.
Erin Claire Jones: But they don't have to be an invitation. Gotcha. So it means you could be on Instagram and you see somebody that you are really inspired by, so you reach out to them and like pitch them on the podcast. Or, you know, you see like an amazing job posting, and this is probably not for you, and you're like, I'm gonna go apply.
Erin Claire Jones: This is amazing. But like, you're basically always responding, but you're waiting for your gut to guide you into those opportunities versus the mind. Does that make sense? Yes, makes total sense. Thank you. Cool. And then we got manifestors. Manifestors are very disruptive, innovative forces. They're really here to do things on their own terms and not here to be told what to do.
Erin Claire Jones: Their energy can also be quite bursty, so they might have like days, weeks, and hours where they make so much happen and then days, weeks, hours where they've got to like pull back and just be in their own energy and be like a total hermit. Freedom is so important for them. And they're just like not here to do things in the way that anyone else has done.
Erin Claire Jones: And so I think when that comes to [01:27:00] parenting, it's really so true. You know, I have a fellow new mom with a manifester and it's just so funny watching her do it because I'm like reading all the things and like learning all the things and I'm like, okay, what can I do? And like, she like reads the things of course, but like she just has her way and she's just like pursues it in a very steadfast way.
Erin Claire Jones: She's like, I know who I am and what I'm doing. And like, I'm not really here to like subscribe to anyone else's way. And again, every manifesto that might show up in different ways, but they just are very innovative, disruptive forces, and that's when they can really have the most impact when they lean into that.
Erin Claire Jones: They also need a lot of time and space to be alone and in their own flow. And they're here to initiate. They're not here to wait for anything to come to them. They're here to wait for a spark to just, like, arise within them out of nowhere and just, like, pursue it. Wow. It's clear.
Jess Gaertner: Yeah, that's, but it's also, like, radically different in how I...
Jess Gaertner: Move through the world. So it's like, and I'm thinking of people in my mind I'm like, I wonder, like I know a particular mama who I just, I love, I'm like, oh, I wish I'll like her. She's so confident. She's so like she's just doing her thing. She doesn't care about what anyone else says, but I'm like, in [01:28:00] my mind thinking, I wonder if she's a manifester.
Jess Gaertner: Anyways, that's very
Erin Claire Jones: interesting. Totally. I mean, that's the wisdom of Manifest. They're just doing it. And I think where they can get taken off track is that they ask for permission and kind of sit back and just don't trust themselves. But like, they're here to show us a new way. And again, this is not to say that, like, they won't do things in the way that others have done, but like, they might discover a new way that works for them.
Erin Claire Jones: That actually is like so inspiring and impactful for others. Finally, we have reflectors. This is the rarest type. It's about 1 percent of the population. And these people are I call them evaluators. Basically, they like see and sense things that most people miss. And so they really just can like assess what's happening in a home or a community or in a team.
Erin Claire Jones: I just like offer feedback on like what's not working, what can be improved. And so they often thrive where they're in positions where they can really honor that. They're also incredibly sensitive to their physical space. So the right opportunities emerge for them when they're in the right home, the right city, the right cafe, when they go on a date and the table feels right, when they stay in a hotel that feels good, like they are meant to be so high maintenance about their [01:29:00] space.
Erin Claire Jones: And then also what's really unique about reflectors is that their identity is very multi dimensional. Like they may have days where they feel like generators like you, like projectors like me, like manifesting generators, manifestors, like in some ways they're all of it. And their job is not to hold onto any of it too tightly and instead just stay present to what feels like them that day.
Erin Claire Jones: And I think as a parent, you know, they are not designed to consistently do. So I think having lots of space and rest is key and also really taking time alone for sure, but also making sure the space they're in with their kid feels really good. Because they're really at their best when the space just feels so sacred and so right for them.
Erin Claire Jones: And so I would really prioritize that however they can. I mean, I'm
Jess Gaertner: thinking, I know space is not necessarily always like a literal term, like your house, but like, I'm thinking as a parent, I mean, our house is constantly in a state of I have two kids with like soccer bags and we have two dogs. And so I'm thinking if I were a reflector, is it, is it also truly like if there's [01:30:00] literal disarray?
Jess Gaertner: In your physical space, is that going to be really challenging
Erin Claire Jones: for reflectors? It's a great question. I'm like beginning to discover that where I'm like, how is there stuff everywhere? But I think that, you know, if reflectors like has, if the home itself feels really good and they're like, I'm in the right place, that's the most important thing.
Erin Claire Jones: You know, whereas if they're in a city that just doesn't feel right or the home doesn't feel right or the office doesn't feel right, that's going to be a lot harder. But I think what I would recommend for reflectors is to just kind of carve out like a little bit of a sacred space within their home that feels like they can just kind of retreat to and recharge there because reflectors are so sensitive to everyone around them, like, you know, sensitive to other people's feelings and stress and all this stuff.
Erin Claire Jones: And so just having a little bit of like a little bubble they can recharge in is so key. That might be a little bit more realistic than like making the whole home that, but more, and I can't tell you how often I've sat with parents, especially during COVID, like where they would be like doing a session in a closet and you would like hear their kids like knocking at their door and they're like, I am in my space and I [01:31:00] will be in my space and I was like, this is amazing.
Jess Gaertner: Oh man, Oh, good times. Yeah. Okay. So those are the, why, why this might be complicated question to answer quickly, but why are reflectors so rare? What, what is it that is like defining these types that makes it less likely?
Erin Claire Jones: Do you know? Well, you know, it is without getting too technical. I'm going to answer in two ways.
Erin Claire Jones: Like the technical answer is that like when we look at a chart based on and you'll see if you look at your chart, you can look it up at human design blueprint dot com. You'll see that like, you know, we don't kind of actually come with a chart immediately. You can click view chart just because it's really complex, but you'll see that there are all these things that are lit up and you've seen a chart before, right?
Erin Claire Jones: And all these things are connected and like for reflectors. No shapes are lit up, and so it just is like a very rare thing that like nothing is connected in a way that makes that configuration possible. I know it's a little bit confusing, but it's just [01:32:00] like it is a very rare thing that like actually have a chart that ends up looking like theirs does because they're sensitive in every possible way.
Erin Claire Jones: The other answer I have for that. Is that, you know, when you think about the different types, we have generators and manifesting generators who are the doers. This is the vast majority of the population. We have projectors who are kind of the guides who are asking the questions. We have manifestors who are like the innovators and disruptors.
Erin Claire Jones: And again, this is broad. You can have all these pieces and other layers. And then you have reflectors who are the evaluators. You don't need a majority of evaluators, you know, you really need one out of every hundred where you can kind of mirror back things, how things are going and give your feedback.
Erin Claire Jones: Whereas like the doers are the ones that like offer so much life force and bring to life all the things. And so it would make sense if that's the majority that, okay,
Jess Gaertner: great. That makes total sense. Okay, wonderful answer.
Erin Claire Jones: Okay, cool. A little bit better than the technical.
Jess Gaertner: I'm sure there's a lot to it, but I appreciate your ability to kind of distill it down for us.
Jess Gaertner: Okay, so we've got the basics. Is there any other notable, [01:33:00] bigger things that you would encourage people to look at within their chart if they're just starting out that would give them, would kind of separate them out from like, I'm in this big field of generators because I know there's like channels and there's all these, all these other things.
Jess Gaertner: Are there any that you would recommend diving
Erin Claire Jones: into first? Well, there are so many, but I think the two pieces that I would recommend diving into first are your authority, which is going to be the piece around how you make decisions, and this is obviously so important because we're making decisions all the time, so you might be somebody who can trust your gut feeling in the moment, somebody who needs to sleep on things, somebody who needs to talk things out.
Erin Claire Jones: So that's a really, really useful piece to look at. The other piece I would recommend looking at is something called profile. There are 12 possible profiles that are possible for every single type. Go All 12 variations, and Honestly, profile speaks to so many things. It speaks to how we best work, how to align with our purpose, our needs and relationships, how to market ourselves.
Erin Claire Jones: Like, it's just a little bit endless, but it is such a [01:34:00] juicy part of our design. So I find that profile is often a fan favorite because it just gives us so many tools immediately.
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Jess Gaertner: paleovalley. com forward slash modern mamas and get 15 percent off your order. No code needed. Trust me, your body will thank you. Yeah, I, I don't, I can't remember it off the top of my head, but I do know what part of my profile is. I think I have like the hermit or something in
Erin Claire Jones: it. Can I give you your profile as an example?
Erin Claire Jones: Yes, absolutely. Okay. Yes. So you, you are a two, four profile. So it'll look like a weird fraction number. So they're going to be kind of two competing, but equally important forces in your profile. So there's a part of you, which is the two. And I just want people to know, if you do look up your chart and you see a two anywhere in your profile, you could be a six to a five to a two, four or two, five, then this will apply to you.
Erin Claire Jones: It means that like [01:36:00] you have a very hermetic nature and having time and space alone to be in your own energy is something that can bring you so much harmony. And just feel very natural for you. Just having like space to just be in your own flow and do your own thing. And so that you're not meant to do that all the time, but it is a really powerful way to recharge.
Erin Claire Jones: Another piece of the two is that you are somebody that brings a lot of just innate talent to whatever it is that you do. And so often you are meant to kind of lean into the work that comes the easiest and most naturally to you. And you might find that you just have gifts that are just kind of inexplicable.
Erin Claire Jones: You're like, I don't quite know how I do what I do, but I just do it. And like, when you feel that, like, it is so the right direction for you. And even just a very quick anecdote of somebody that has this. A few weeks ago, she was so funny. She was like, Erin, even when I was young, I would be like solving my geometry equations or problems.
Erin Claire Jones: And like, I always got it right, but I could like never show my work, you know, and that's like so much of the two is they're like, they just do it. And they're like, I don't know how to explain how I do what I do. I just do it. So I'm curious how that resonates or not for you before I move on to the four.
Erin Claire Jones: Oh, it
Jess Gaertner: totally [01:37:00] resonates. And I am thinking especially about the, like the, the need for space. I would. I would characterize myself as someone who loves people and loves being in community, but at the same time, I can get super burnt out on the other end if I don't have time, like, in my own space to kind of just think and move and dream and do and all of that, and I feel that really, people who have been listening to the podcast for a while, I've shared about kind of like where I'm at currently, It's just like, I am depleted because I don't have a lot of that.
Jess Gaertner: And it's like, I tried to explain it to my husband. I'm like, I just need like base. And he's like, well, you're home alone all day. I'm like, that's not the same. Like, I'm still. Doing these things that I have to do. And so yes, it's different. And so I feel that and in school, and this is not, this is not like a humble brag or like to toot my own horn or anything like that, but I was a valedictorian and there were definitely people that I felt who were way [01:38:00] smarter than me, like way more intelligent.
Jess Gaertner: And it was just one of those things where I was like, Oh, like, I just know the, like, I just know how to do this. Like, I know how to do school, or I know how to do geometry like your friend, but I can't explain it. Like, I don't understand. I used to think I just had like a weird photographic memory, but now I think it's just intuition or something that kind of came naturally to me, so.
Jess Gaertner: That
Erin Claire Jones: resonates. Oh, I'm so glad you shared that and I can't wait to talk about the four because it feels like I already hear it in you. But I think that as twos, I'm a fellow two here, is that like, we often just make ourselves wrong for that. We're just like, oh, but I can't explain it. Or like, I can't actually like get paid for this thing that comes so naturally and easily to me.
Erin Claire Jones: And like, it's just a real lesson to be like, oh, there's such worth there. You know, and like, and what comes easy is exactly what I meant to lean into, even if like I haven't characterized it as a gift before. So I loved hearing that. And I, and I think what you said is so right on, like needing to hermit is not about being like alone in your home all day.
Erin Claire Jones: It's about like having space to [01:39:00] kind of just be in your flow and like bop around like the things you feel drawn to. And there's like no disruption or interference by other people, which I understand it's increasingly challenging as a parent, but still just carving out that space is so key. Yes. So in addition to that two that we talked about, you also have four.
Erin Claire Jones: So again, if anyone listening has a four in their profile, so that would be a four, one, a four, six, a one, four, or a two, four. It means that community is a huge part of your design. So I'm telling you now like an opposite thing, you know, and I'll explain how to find balance. So it means that, you know, your opportunities are very much meant to come through your community and your network and people that, you know, it is so important to kind of work with people that you want to be friends with.
Erin Claire Jones: You know, and like, there's this very warm, friendly nature and like, just the quality of your relationships really do inform the quality of your life. And this is not at all about having a huge community. It's about just nourishing and investing in the relationships that really feel right. And you just, again, might find that like all these opportunities just emerge when like, it's just through a friend or through somebody, you know, and like often for these people, [01:40:00] it's much more natural to kind of date people that were friends first or introduce them through a friend than like a stranger they met on an app.
Erin Claire Jones: So yeah. Yeah. Okay. I want to hear that. And then I talk about the two, four together. So how does the four piece resonate?
Jess Gaertner: I mean, it's like, I've been doing the podcast for what we talked about before we hopped on to record like seven years now. And it's, I feel like so much, it was like this weird intuition again, like, Hey, let's do this.
Jess Gaertner: Let's do this podcast. We don't know what we're doing. My, my podcast partner, Laura and I And leaned into it and since then it has created so many opportunities for me personally, a, to develop really, really incredible friendships with people who I've just met through the podcast, whether they were guests or listeners or, you know, just a variety of ways and like have also, it's like the podcast has stayed really stable as this like community, Of people, but like what I've done [01:41:00] over the last seven years in terms of like my own professional businesses and things has really just like jumped around based on like, just, you know, different opportunities that have come my way.
Jess Gaertner: And I feel like most of that feels just incredibly true every time I try and make something happen. Yeah, it doesn't work. And then every time I lean into. Usually it's like referrals or like, Hey, you know, I'm, I'm right now I'm doing food photography and I love it and it's amazing and it's creative, but all of my work through there has come through like essentially word of mouth or people that I know, or just kind of a friend being like, Hey, I know someone who needs to use your services.
Jess Gaertner: Like, would you be interested? I'm like, yes. So yeah, that resonates a hundred percent, but it's also this weird dichotomy I feel like because I'm like, I love people. People are great. Like, this is wonderful. I love community. And then I'll go through periods of time where I'm like, I, I just withdraw. [01:42:00] Do you know what I mean?
Jess Gaertner: Does that make sense?
Erin Claire Jones: Oh, it makes all the sense. And I think that like, you need both. And here's what I'd say about having both of those things. And I also just want to kind of take a step back and. Say that one of the things I love most about human design is that it reveals the complexity and nuance of who we are, you know, it can reveal these like seemingly opposite, yet equally important parts of ourselves.
Erin Claire Jones: And it's not about one being more important than the other, but finding balance. And so for you, I would say you are a hermit and you desperately need community. And I would say your time alone in your own energy is often a really beautiful place to restore and cultivate your talents and being in community.
Erin Claire Jones: It's a beautiful time to share your gifts. And so for you, it's about knowing what, when is time for which. So the work is to not spend so much time alone that you become isolated and nobody gets to experience you and your gifts. And also to not spend so much time with people that you get totally fatigued because people fatigue is real.
Erin Claire Jones: And so it's just knowing when to kind of pull back and recharge and when to kind of go out there and, and be with people. And I would say the things to watch out for is. Watch out for feeling isolated because that [01:43:00] often can be a signal it's time to go be with your people and then also watch out for being like really fatigued and kind of just like touched out or overwhelmed with people and that can be a good signal to kind of go back and be in your own space.
Erin Claire Jones: I
Jess Gaertner: this makes so much sense. My people listening are who we have hosted several retreats over the years. And we love them. It's like a listener retreat. They're usually pretty small, but I always end up getting like a headache and sick, like either in it, like in the middle or like after it. And at the time it's like, this is great.
Jess Gaertner: I'm having such a great time, you know, pouring out energy. It's wonderful. And then if I don't kind of like take moments throughout the retreat to kind of like be alone or like nap or. Retreat into my room for a second. I, I like, I mean, it is like clockwork. I will get Like burnt out very, very quickly. So that's good.
Jess Gaertner: That like, I feel like that's an applicable thing for me to like, take immediately and apply to my life, you know, does it matter which [01:44:00] way the numbers
Erin Claire Jones: are like, yeah. So there aren't going to be any four twos, you know, but there can be people that have two in the second position. Like I'm a six to, um, what I would say is it does matter, but not in a way that I would get too stressed out for at the beginning, what matters is that.
Erin Claire Jones: The number that comes first. So for you, that hermit piece is the piece that often you are more conscious of and you seeing yourself, you might kind of see that. Whereas the number that comes second is often the number that others seeing you, you know, and so they kind of might see that kind of community, warm, friendly nature, whereas you kind of more experienced that hermit nature.
Erin Claire Jones: So they're both part of you. People just experience them differently. Okay. That makes so
Jess Gaertner: much sense. I feel like I have so many more questions, but can I share one more thing? Yes, absolutely. Please.
Erin Claire Jones: You're like, I have more questions. I'm like, well, let me tell you another thing. Okay. So quickly, I just want to kind of talk really briefly about another part of your design called your definition only because you mentioned the piece around kind of being home alone all the time.
Erin Claire Jones: So you, there's a piece of our [01:45:00] definition that speaks to how we best process information and you have a definition called triple split synthesizing. Don't worry about all this language if you're new to it, I'm just offering it to people that, you know, might know it. But it basically means that you're somebody who can feel like a little bit trapped if you're in the same space with the same people all day every day.
Erin Claire Jones: Oh my gosh, yes. And so like you just need multiple influences. Obviously you're going to get that through your kids, through your husband, but like leaving the house, going for a walk, going to a coffee shop, like movement is so important. And so you can just see how all these things build on each other.
Erin Claire Jones: It's like, yeah, I'm a hermit, but it's not about just being in the same space all the time. Like, I need multiple influences. It might be going, you know, to a coffee shop, headphones on and just being in my own space. But I just want to add that additional layer because I think so often when people have a definition like you do, they might feel like Oh, like what's wrong with me or what's wrong with this person that I feel like a little bit confined being with them all the time.
Erin Claire Jones: And it just said like your system needs a little bit more movement to kind of process information.
Jess Gaertner: Well, I love that. And I definitely see, like I said, this current season where my work is tied to home. I can't really go out and like shoot [01:46:00] food, like what I'm currently doing, like elsewhere. But before, before I got really into this, a lot of work was like coffee shop work.
Jess Gaertner: My husband would be like, how can you concentrate? Like. In the coffee shop and do your work. I'm like, I don't know. I love it. Like I can literally just be like, I don't have to put headphones in, like I can put head down, get my work done, like love, love being in spaces like that. So yes, that makes sense. So good for you.
Jess Gaertner: Yeah, that makes complete sense. Oh my God. Okay,
Erin Claire Jones: wait, one more thing. Okay. Yes or, okay. Okay. And then I went, I just totally hand it over to you. Okay. But then there's another part of your human design. You guys can just hear that there's so many pieces called your environment, which I don't even know we talked if we talked about in our session.
Erin Claire Jones: No, I don't think we did. Your environment is called kitchens, which is so funny given the food photography views. So, It is about being like in a gathering space of a kitchen, but it's more around like you're somebody who thrives in like really creative, buzzy spaces where it feels like things are happening.
Erin Claire Jones: And so it just makes sense that you love coffee shops in that way too, because like when you can tap into that energy, of course, not all the time, it just sparks so much within you. Oh, my gosh, [01:47:00] that
Jess Gaertner: makes so much sense. So, so much sense. I'm like, I'm just processing. Okay, well, now I feel like we sent, I really want to dive into, I feel like there's so many other questions that I could ask here, but I do want to dive in because I feel like what we want to show people is kind of even scratching the surface because I know we don't have a ton of time, but what a session like a session with you would kind of look like when we are addressing, like, ourselves and our kids together, like, in one, one go.
Jess Gaertner: And so you were so kind to do Barrett and Camille's profiles and get all of their information, you've done mine, and so I kind of want to hand it over to you, and just allow you to do your thing, and let's talk about the kids, let's talk about me, let's talk about how we can... worked more, more copacetically together as a family unit.
Erin Claire Jones: Okay. Beautiful. So let, let's talk about Barrett first. So I, like I said, I think it's really wonderful that like, there's so much generator manifesting generator in the [01:48:00] household because there's just like a lot of powerful creative energy and you guys can keep up with each other. A few things. I mean, Barrett has like a very powerful design, lots of powerful energy.
Erin Claire Jones: So a few things I would mention with Barrett is like, Barrett is a manifesting generator, and so it's good to kind of have multiple passions and multiple things and not just do one thing. So whereas you might be like, I'm going to like really dive deep into this one thing today. Like they might want to try bajillion things at once.
Erin Claire Jones: Have you noticed that even at this stage? I'm trying to think. It's okay if not.
Jess Gaertner: I mean, he, I haven't noticed that quite yet. He, I mean, it's, it's limited in terms of like, he's 10 and he can only do what we kind of facilitate for him. But I will say, I think he's interested in a lot of different things and maybe hasn't had the ability or time and space to like dive in, in the way that he would like to, but I think he definitely has.
Jess Gaertner: Like inklings
Erin Claire Jones: of that, for sure. [01:49:00] Beautiful. And I would just like keep giving him the space to do that, you know, and just because like he's meant to try it and let go of lots of different things. I think a big difference of the two of you is that you are somebody who's very open and sensitive to other people's emotions and very naturally empathic.
Erin Claire Jones: And he's somebody who actually is meant to be quite moody. You know, and there's like a lot of depth to his emotions and intensity and creativity and, but his emotions can really kind of pour out into the world around you and especially be felt by you. So I think one thing to be aware of, and I don't know whether you sense this at all in him, it's just like giving him space to feel all the things without making him explain why he's feeling what he's feeling or like making him have clarity immediately in the moment and more just kind of give him space to feel.
Erin Claire Jones: Oh, I
Jess Gaertner: mean, I know a hundred percent, even as a baby, it was a feeler. If he was an emoter and you know, he's 10, he's getting into preteen age. And so we are definitely seeing a lot of like shifts emotionally, like just up and down for the most part. He's a, like a, he's a pretty bright, [01:50:00] like sunny kid, but yeah, there's some, there's some ups and downs there for sure.
Erin Claire Jones: Yeah. And I would just say that it's so natural, you know, and it's, these people are like so creative because they're just here to like experience the fullness of life and just like make often a lot of like art from that place. You know, Adele is somebody that has this one and like, it's just like, you can feel the, like, move, you know, like how much she's able to move people through the depth of the emotion she feels.
Erin Claire Jones: Another piece that's really interesting for him is that. He also like has the gift of being the boss. I don't know how that manifested this age, but
Jess Gaertner: also the oldest. And so it manifests very
Erin Claire Jones: clearly. Yeah. So like, he's just like, there's a real authority to him, you know? And like, it's useful sometimes to realize that sometimes these things can be a little bit harder at the beginning, you know, when they're young, but I would say like his most, most natural position is to kind of be in the bot, be the boss to feel kind of very autonomous and in control.
Erin Claire Jones: I'm very intrigued
Jess Gaertner: when you will also talk about [01:51:00] Camille because obviously they're siblings and there's natural like head like push and pull with siblings. And I'm just interested to hear about her as well and how they might like interact because I feel like Barrett is very much like the leader, like he wants to be in charge, but then we have this like little force over here.
Jess Gaertner: She's seven, so they're three years apart, who very much like is trying to assert herself as well. So I don't know if that's just sibling things or if that has anything to do with their just innate ness, like who they are. So I'm intrigued as we chat some more.
Erin Claire Jones: Yeah, I mean, I think the thing that comes up is like, yes, he's got this very like natural authority and it like comes through his voice, you know, it's just like it's natural for him to just be like, I want this.
Erin Claire Jones: I am this like I desire this with Camille, you know, she's got a very different design in some ways. And I'm curious whether you notice this. So we all have areas that are challenging our design and I love talking about them because they just reveal like lessons were here to learn. So for [01:52:00] Camille, one of the areas that may be challenging, it's actually true for you as well, but also a thing that is meant to be like an amazing source of wisdom in your life, is that Camille might sometimes feel like a pressure to like get attention and feel like if she doesn't say something or contribute something or like That she won't be seen and that she'll be invisible.
Erin Claire Jones: And so one of her biggest life lessons, which is hard to learn at seven years old, is that like, she's really meant to sit back and wait to be invited into Cher, you know, instead of just like trying to make her voice heard, because she might find that when she tries to make her voice heard, it just like doesn't land in all the ways that she wants it to.
Erin Claire Jones: Oh, I didn't see that. Have you noticed that?
Jess Gaertner: Oh, yes, absolutely. I mean, there's a lot. It's so interesting that to find out that Camille and I are very similar because she and I say this. I mean, I adore her. I think she's incredible. We have the most challenge like together. I don't know. And then maybe it's because we are so similar.
Jess Gaertner: Like we but now I love how this human design is [01:53:00] bringing insight in that like I can really lean into the fact that like It's because like, Oh, I can, I can find ways to connect with her because we are so similar versus like me being frustrated. By that. But yeah, she is her natural. She is such a such an interesting kid.
Jess Gaertner: And I feel like I was like this when I was her age as well. I'm kind of like definitely like observe from the atlas, especially in a new environment, observe from the outside, feel comfortable, then step into like whatever it is that she wants to do or say or however she wants to be when she's comfortable.
Jess Gaertner: She's like, She's golden, like she is herself, but definitely a lot of like, observation happens with her first, and I
Erin Claire Jones: was the same way. Yeah, and she's got this piece in her design where she's like here to kind of stand back and be the witness, you know, and then, and come in exactly like you're saying, and then I think another area that might show up, especially at this age is like, You, you and, I mean, [01:54:00] you have a lot of similarities with Camille, but also you and your son, Barrett, sorry, both have this, like, powerful willpower, like, you just, like, when your heart's in it, like, you can do anything, like, it just, there's, like, an extraordinary capacity, but sometimes, and I don't know if you've ever noticed this, sometimes you might kind of unconsciously put pressure on other people to prove themselves, they might try to kind of keep up with you in some way, and so Barrett might put that pressure on his sister, because, like, one of her big lessons is not trying to prove herself.
Erin Claire Jones: Um, um, But like, she might feel like a lot of need to prove herself when she's around him. Yeah. Oh, I can see that for sure. One thing, one thing I'd also say, and this is a thing that you and Camille share is that she's such an empath like you, you know, and so there are lots of ways in which you aligning with your design and really kind of speaking with intention and, and really knowing that not everything you feel is your own can be so supportive for her.
Jess Gaertner: Oh my gosh. I see that playing out. Like even yesterday. She does this thing where I mean, she's highly emotionally expressive, like, like when she's balanced, but whenever like [01:55:00] myself or Tim or my husband or bear, like yesterday, bear was having some growing pains and he was upset and he was like, he was crying and he was like, you know, he clearly just like distressed.
Jess Gaertner: He was fine. Everyone don't worry. It's normal. But she will Retreat into us. She like literally she has a blanket that she holds like it's her comfort item to hold the blanket. She wore a tree and she will kind of like hide whenever anyone in the house is like feeling big feelings and it's like I've noticed this for about her for a while now, but it's getting more and more like.
Jess Gaertner: You know, as we're having, we're having a lot of big feelings in the house lately, I get the same, like, I want to hide, obviously I can't, you know, but like, yeah, I get overwhelmed by other people's big emotions and that's something I've had to fight through, not necessarily fight through, but be conscious of as a parent from the get go, because it is like [01:56:00] you have a child who can't necessarily express their, what's the problem?
Jess Gaertner: Yeah. But you know, as a baby and there's just sometimes there's just crying and there's nothing you can do about it. And there's big feelings and there's all you can do is hold space. And that can be so hard for me and I'm now I'm seeing probably for Camille as well. I don't know. Is that kind of where it could possibly manifest in that way?
Jess Gaertner: A
Erin Claire Jones: hundred percent. All right. A hundred percent. And like, and Barrett's meant to have really big feelings, you know, in such a beautiful way. And you and Camille are in your own ways, but you also just are so like, you can take in other people's emotions as your own. Like sometimes they can feel like there's no boundary.
Erin Claire Jones: And so that's what it's a big lesson for you both. And honestly, like Camille has so much sensitivity in her design. I'm just like seeing it kind of all over. Like she's so sensitive to her space, like the quality of her space is so important. She also like it's just like sensitive to like everything in a space, like the smells and the vibe and all of it.
Erin Claire Jones: And so I think like finding ways to really work with that is so key, [01:57:00] you know, because it's obviously such an extraordinary gift. Love that so
Jess Gaertner: much. It's like going to make me cry because we talked about it all the time. She's, she likes to create vibes. So she'll be like, I'm creative. She's definitely a vibe creator.
Jess Gaertner: So in her room or she'll be like, okay, we're having a blue party. And so she will create this like blue space and then she'll invite us to the party and it's precious. It's precious. But like she does that all the time. She's like, okay, today we're going to have like yeah. The stuffies are going to do a spa day and she'll like, you know, do the, the lights and the everything, the spa music, the candles, like all of it.
Jess Gaertner: So, I just can't wait to see it. Another thing that I'm seeing as we're discussing this, it gets me excited for, to see how they step into themselves. You know what I mean?
Erin Claire Jones: Oh my God. 100%. You know, my daughter is 11 months old and like, it's just so funny cause I see all these things and I'm just like, how are they going to manifest?
Erin Claire Jones: Like there are ways I've seen them manifest in the past 11 months, but I'm also just. You know, these things are [01:58:00] going to emerge in so many different ways. And like, yeah, she is. So because she's so into a space, like she really is amazing at setting a vibe, you know, and like feeling into a space. So like, what can that become?
Erin Claire Jones: And then also one thing that's really cool and that's associated with that part of her design is that she's really here to have like. A really vast identity and you might notice that in school, you know, or wherever she's going, but more than like, she's like, I want to express in this way. Now I like want to do it this way.
Erin Claire Jones: And like, she's just like, there's so many parts of her that are meant to be explored and she's not really kind of meant to be put in a box that makes so much sense.
Jess Gaertner: I mean, that's, that's all I can
Erin Claire Jones: say. Yes. Okay. One thing I also want to mention with her in particular, and you only obviously have so much control over this as a parent, but because she's so sensitive to her space, she, she has that.
Erin Claire Jones: And then also she is really, her community is really important as it is for you. And so like, I think just being around people that really feel good for her is so important because she's going to take so much of their energy in. So just whatever you can do to kind of really support her in investing in the relationships that really feel right, because it just will have [01:59:00] such an influence on her.
Erin Claire Jones: Okay. Heard. Nerd. One other thing I want to share with Barrett is that, this comes from his profile, is that it's very easy to kind of project things onto Barrett, like, often in really positive ways. Like, Oh my God, you'd be amazing at this. Like, should we do all these lessons for you? Or like, Oh my God, maybe you'd be a pianist or maybe you should play hockey, whatever it is.
Erin Claire Jones: And I think that people just see possibility in him. And I think a big lesson for you and also for him is that like as much possibility as people may see in him. You know, he's really meant to just get really clear on what feels like him and to kind of not get swept away with other people's vision for him.
Erin Claire Jones: I worked with a lot of families, even a woman a few months ago where like her son was so good at football and he had the same profile and I just remember her finally having a conversation and she's like, I know you're really good at this. I know that we all like have built our lives around it, but do you actually want to do it?
Erin Claire Jones: And he's like, never have. You know, and so like, it's just a thing to be aware of that, like, he's so capable and just like having conversations to be like, does this really [02:00:00] feel like the thing for you, you know, and just making sure that you stay connected to that. Wow. I just kind
Jess Gaertner: of got the chills because I see that already playing out and you know, we check in periodically with him on this as well.
Jess Gaertner: He's, I'm really good at soccer and we've tried, we have tried a lot of different things. With him, just, you know, whatever piques his interest, we've tried to, you know, just different things, but soccer has kind of really stuck and I, I think that's just a really good reminder to continue to check in with him on, yes, is this still feeling good, you know, like, is this still feeling fun?
Jess Gaertner: Is this still feeling like something you want to, you know, commit a significant amount of time to because, oh, that's a good reminder. Thank you for that. That really resonates.
Erin Claire Jones: Of course. And again, like there are just things to pay attention to and some things might be more relevant now than others. Yeah.
Erin Claire Jones: I mean, there's so much, but hopefully that gives you a little bit of a taste. Yes. No, gosh,
Jess Gaertner: that is so, so helpful. Trying to think if I have any follow up questions because yeah, it's like that. And, [02:01:00] and just again, to encourage everyone listening, like the Aaron, I mean, you barely scratched the surface on like all of the information that we get with the, the.
Jess Gaertner: The guides that you sent over. I mean, how many pages is it? It's like 30, 20
Erin Claire Jones: more 60. I know. Honestly, every, every guide is, it used to be 30, every guide, and it's just a blueprint guide, but every guide is different because everybody's design is different. So it can be anywhere. It's 60 plus pages, but some are 70, some are 63.
Erin Claire Jones: You know, it all depends on your unique design. Yeah. I mean, and I would
Jess Gaertner: encourage everyone listening. Well, I guess that kind of just so we don't talk forever that we're going to kind of wrap it up. Is there any part I want to get some parting words of wisdom from you? And then I want to point people to your resources and how they can work with you.
Jess Gaertner: So just kind of wrapping everything up for our people listening, like what are your parting words of wisdom about human design? Okay,
Erin Claire Jones: I love that because I think that I don't think I really made this point clear at the beginning is [02:02:00] that I think that human design is an amazing tool to really help us find flow in our own lives, whether it's as a parent or as an entrepreneur or a manager or whatever it is, as important as that is, it is such an amazing tool as well to help us better understand how to support the people around us.
Erin Claire Jones: And in this case, especially our kids, and why I think it's so useful in parenting and also in romantic partnership is that so often we get stuck or frustrated because we're expecting someone to be like us. And then we get frustrated because they're not, you know, and like as a daughter, I have a daughter who's a manifesting generator.
Erin Claire Jones: I'm a projector. Like. We are opposite in every single way, as am I with my husband, and like, and so I'm just like walking into parenting being like, I cannot expect my daughter to be like me, you know, and I already feel how different she is. And so I think human design just gives us such an amazing framework to really understand each other's differences and honor them because, you know, it just, it, and I think that brings us so much closer together.
Erin Claire Jones: And so my parting words of wisdom would be whether or not you choose to dig deeper into human design or Enneagram or whatever it is, yeah. You know, these tools are such powerful [02:03:00] minors that we were all wired so differently. And so if you are struggling with somebody, I would just take the time to be like, Are there ways in which I'm, I'm frustrated because they're not like me, you know, and like, what if I take the time to really understand how they operate and like, really learn how to honor that because things might feel a lot better once I do that.
Erin Claire Jones: Absolutely. Love
Jess Gaertner: that so much. Wise, wise words. Okay. So I'm sure we've piqued a lot of people's interest with human design and potentially kind of digging deeper. So where can we find you? How can we, what are your resources? I know you have so many great ones and how can we work with you if
Erin Claire Jones: we're interested in that?
Erin Claire Jones: Of course. So I would say the best place to get started is something called your blueprint guide, which you just mentioned. And it basically is a book, a personalized book and guide all about your unique design. So it talks about all the things we talked about today and so much more, you know, where you can get challenged based on your design, all your gifts, your profile, your type, all the things.
Erin Claire Jones: It's just meant to be like this really beautiful resource that you can keep returning to, you know, I have people that bought it three or four years [02:04:00] ago and they're like, Erin, I still go back every month, you know, whenever things are just been challenging or out of flow, I read and I'm like, aha, I see why that's happening.
Erin Claire Jones: So if you want to learn about your design, it's the perfect place. And also, you know, it's really practical and it's really accessible. So whether you're new to human design or you're a seasoned reader, it's meant to be a great resource. So that's that human design blueprint. com. We have a discount code, which is modern mamas.
Erin Claire Jones: If you want to sit together in session, I actually don't have a session link publicly available, but I still am offering sessions behind the scenes. So just, you can send me a message on Instagram at Erin Claire Jones, and I'll send you that link and you can use that for an individual session or family sessions.
Erin Claire Jones: And then finally, if you're like, this is the coolest and I want to learn human design, Erin, teach me everything. We have a lot of amazing classes on our website that dive into everything human design. So if you want to become a reader or if you just want to learn more about yourself and your kids, it's a really great place to do that.
Erin Claire Jones: And that's. You'll see classes as an option at the top of our website, human design, blueprint. com. And then finally on Instagram, I share a lot, both on Aaron Claire Jones and also at human design [02:05:00] blueprint.
Jess Gaertner: Perfect. And we'll have all these links in the show notes. So don't feel like you're listening. You have to furiously take down notes or anything.
Jess Gaertner: They will all be ready for you. And I can, again, I just want to like personally attest to the blueprint being just. Just so packed with such good information. I made it a point to kind of look through all three of ours before we got, before I made the notes for this, this episode. And it was just like, I was like, like so many lightbulb aha moments for both me and the kiddos.
Jess Gaertner: And it's just again, like you said, I feel like I'm going to have to going to need to and want to refer back just frequently, especially as like things grow and change. And people are stepping into themselves and becoming more independent. And, you know, it's interesting, like parenting. It's it's all all the phases are great.
Jess Gaertner: All the phases are challenging in their own ways. And I feel like for me, I'm I'm the first parent in my kind of friend group who is stepping [02:06:00] into this like preteen tween parenting a teen. And it's like a whole different ballgame because you do have this these people. These humans who are becoming adults on their way to adults, and I feel like more and more and more.
Jess Gaertner: I want to be able to see them. You know what I mean? To stay connected to them as they start to pull away rightly, so become independent and just like see them and be there for them. So I just I can't. I'm so excited to have this as
Erin Claire Jones: a guide. Yeah, and I just love what you said that like it's gonna keep changing, you know, and as we keep changing, like you just might read it, you know, in a year and you're like, Whoa, I never saw these things before.
Erin Claire Jones: Now this makes sense. And like people experience that in their own design all the time. So I love hearing that. And it just feels like it's as a parent as a parent to a much younger child. It's fun to also hear that. It's great. It's great. It's
Jess Gaertner: exciting. It's great. It's exciting. I feel like you can say that about any
Erin Claire Jones: stage of parenting.
Erin Claire Jones: Totally keeps [02:07:00] getting better. Yeah.
Jess Gaertner: Yeah. Thank you so much, Erin. This was just incredible. I really, really appreciate you sharing your time and you're just a gift. Thanks.
Erin Claire Jones: Thanks for being on. My pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. Absolutely.
Jess Gaertner: Thanks for listening. Thanks
Erin Claire Jones: for listening to our podcast.
Erin Claire Jones: See you next time. Bye.[02:08:00]