MMP Ep 339: Older and Wiser

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Hi friends! Welcome to the Modern Mamas podcast. We are two modern mamas here to inspire, empowerment, self love, deep physical and spiritual nourishment, holistic health, open minds, and joy, no matter your journey or perspective. I'm Laura of Radical Roots. I'm a certified CrossFit trainer, certified nutrition consultant, and mama to Evie Wilder and Indie Bow.

I love outdoor adventure, good food, especially sourdough. And mindful movement. And I'm Jess of Hold the Space Wellness. I am a level one CrossFit trainer, a licensed and certified athletic trainer with a master's in kinesiology, and Mama Tiberian Camille. I love food, trying new things, creating art, and being a perpetual learner.

Please note that while we're here to provide advice and insights, we aren't medical practitioners, and always recommend that you check with a trusted provider before implementing any changes. Thanks for joining us. We're so happy you're here. [01:03:00] Welcome, friends. It's Wednesday. Well, it's not technically Wednesday when we're recording, but we're talking to you in the future.

It's Jess and Laura from the future. Good morning to you, Laura. How's it going, everybody? Oh, I'll answer for everybody. It's going fine. It's going down. Focus in. Ground. Got a candle lit, looking at the Christmas lights, got two screens open. I just need to like, rein it in for a moment. Rein it in, rein it in.

Yeah, I was like, before we hopped on, I was like, okay, I gotta record. Then I was like, I had a photo shoot day yesterday with Cassie, so I had like taken all my stuff with me. But like, obviously I have to shoot here today, so I was like, I need to get set up because I need to get right into work, like after I record.

And then I was like, but I'm hungry. And I was like, I don't. And this is like my self talk. I'm like, Jess, Jess, it's like, you need to feed yourself. Like you can't just ignore, [01:04:00] like you can't. ignore and then you'll be starving and then you'll eat cookies all afternoon. So I was like, all right, you feel like crap.

Yeah. Then I'll feel good. And so I was like, okay, I have time. I made myself some buttery scrambled eggs and mm-Hmm. a piece of sourdough toast and made my coffee. And I mean, I ate it fairly quickly, but I kept telling myself quickly is better than like, none at all. Totally. And here we are, man. I'm in a season of eating quickly and, and I, like, I, I savor my food and I appre, it's like my self-care.

I still eat fast. Mm-Hmm. because I have a toddler who literally every meal. The moment she's done, it's like, clear the tray with both arms, everything's on the floor, all done. And she stands up and she goes from sitting in her high chair to standing on her tray within like a half a second. So I like to just, that's fine.

I still, I chew well. I do things quickly. I'm just, that's my nature. So it doesn't feel super rushed, but I do, when I [01:05:00] get to eat alone, it's like very special. Yeah. But I feel like I've seen you, like when we've been on retreats and stuff, eat. Or maybe drink. I can't remember. It could be both. Eat like quickly where I'm like, I eat quickly because I feel like I do.

And then I look over and you're like, done. Yeah, it's a gift, but I digest, you know, and while I make, I have a whole thing, research shows that if you nibble on the things you will be eating while you make the food, it like primes your digestive system. So I try and always like, especially if you're, you know, you're eating the similar things that your body's going to be.

consuming. So I always like take little bites and things as I go. I always sip a little mocktail while I cook or make my food. Apple cider vinegar, sparkling water, and then like whatever tinctures tickle me that day from Wish Garden. And I feel like My digestion right now is like, for the most part, pretty, pretty on point, and I don't think I've shared this here, and I'm just going to go on a quick tangent, but I am also doing a, [01:06:00] I'd say like three cycles on, one cycle off of the full moon, a, a parasite cleanse.

And if this Have you done this before, or have we just talked about it before? I think you and I have talked about it, I don't think I've talked on, maybe I have, either way. Updates. If that stuff makes you squeamish, pause for a second or like jump ahead, maybe like 20 seconds. But yeah, like every single time I pass plenty, I mean, we're talking like six inches, 12 inches, like, and I read a post recently that was like, Hey, put your fingers to your pulse on your neck.

Do you have a heartbeat? You have parasites. I think I've heard that before. Everyone has them. We all have them. It's very natural. It's also, I believe from my own anecdotal experience, very beneficial to pass them. remove them. And so I sleep better. I think more clearly. It's amazing. And I'll take a month off or a moon off and then I'll come back to it.

And I do like there's a whole it's so core, not affiliated, no [01:07:00] kickbacks, but their stuff's great. My friend, Emily, who's been on the podcast recommended it. And yeah, it's awesome. So I do two days before full moon, two days after. So a five day and there's a tincture and some pills and it's like clockwork and I feel so good.

And I used to around the full moon feel a little bit more agitated and like not sleep as well. And when I do this cleanse, I sleep better. I think more clearly. It's amazing. So how did I get here? I don't know, but Oh, eating quickly. Oh, and digestion. Yeah. Yes. And so I think that in combination with. The apple cider vinegar mocktails, and I don't know, all the things.

I am just, my digestion is very, it's pleased right now. It's fermentation, like a lot of fermented foods, a lot of sourdough, a lot of protein, and some pairs like clemson. Amazing. I have a theory that moms, in particular, Learn to like, because I will say, I mean, same situation, like with two kiddos, the world was [01:08:00] one.

I got kind of trained with bear to eat quickly, like anytime we would go out to a restaurant, it was like, I need to eat quickly because I'm not really sure how long he's going to last here. And I might need to get up and like, you know, go outside or like help him out. Or even at home, it's like same, same situation.

I felt like. You know, and he, I don't know, self imposed or whatever, felt like I needed to eat quickly so that I can attend to whoever is going to need me. And I feel like that has like stuck, like just the fast pace of like a meal has stuck with me for sure. Where I really have to like force myself to slow down.

So I don't know my digestion, since we're on the top of digestion, mine's actually pretty good. All things considered, you know, it's, it's just really interesting. Like I've have learned, and this is anecdotally, like I knew like fermented foods actually. Like really do me dirty and through the genetic stuff.

I learned that like [01:09:00] why that is for me. I have like a histamine Sensitivity and there's like, you know, lots of histamines and fermented foods and a lot of people like it's great It is good for you But for some people it's kind of like harder to kind of handle your body your body and like I can't drink kombucha Which is like the saddest thing in the world because it's such a like healthy, fun beverage to sip on, but it gives me a headache almost instantaneously, which is kind of bananas.

So anyways, digestion. I need to do, I need to do a parasite cleanse probably at some point, but I recommend it. I highly, highly recommend it to everybody. Yeah, I was like, should I do this? And you know, I also do like coffee enemas and stuff doesn't make me doesn't wear me out at all. But. It is very, what's the word, the word's gone, what is it, when you know you, not fulfilling, but Satisfying?

Satisfying, yeah. I think so. Anyways, we have a new, or returning patron. [01:10:00] Yes, Casey. Kind of a weird, yeah. Yes, Casey, Casey Nash, welcome back to the pool. We miss you. Yeah. We miss you from retreat days. And you've been, I think she's been to at least one, probably two, I feel like. Yeah. Yeah. Feels like a lifetime.

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I feel like we do this probably once a year where we're like, okay, what are our offerings here? What [01:11:00] makes sense? What are what do people want? What are people capable of? Because at times we've done like, you know, a lot of zoom hangs and a lot of things where It's like FaceTime, which is amazing, but sometimes hard for people to get to, and obviously we've always done the extra episode every month, but like, you know, if y'all are in the Patreon community and you're listening or you're not and you've considered, but you're like, eh, it's not quite compelling enough for me, we would love to know what would be like, what would make sense to you if you were going to pay a small, I mean, all the, um, Memberships are, like, very minimal cost, but if you were going to support the podcast financially in any way, like, what would be compelling to you, like, what would make you be like, yes, like, no brainer, done, please, let us know, like, like, really, we're seeking feedback on this, or at least I am.

Yes, please, yeah, me too. Yeah, okay, cool, because, you know, it's like, we don't want to be spinning our wheels and offering things that aren't helpful, and so. Yeah. We'd love to hear from you. [01:12:00]Talk to us, friend. Well, I want to hear all about your birthday. Oh my gosh. Which is just so exciting. Oh. And also, I have a toddler who will wake up any moment, so I feel like I'll just offer some quick updates and then I'm gonna let you just take the, make this like the birthday episode.

Oh, okay. Let's do it. Well, fill us in. Fill us in first. And then I'll just recorded a week ago. It was a week ago. Oh, it was the morning that we were going to, that we did the morning before our like repeat Thanksgiving, which was just so special. So I shared last week that Rusty was gone. He was fighting wildfires in North Carolina for two and a half weeks.

He got home on the Tuesday after Thanksgiving. So I shared the difficulty of all that. And so he got home. I talked about how the hardship, the sickness, all the things, the emotions, the friends, giving. And then I shared the day before we recorded, we did, we went and got our tree, we did grilled cheese and tomato soup, [01:13:00] we decorated, it was pure magic.

And then the next day, so we recorded that morning and then we went into like just a repeat Thanksgiving with him. And it was everything that I needed to like get me in the spirit to just have that really quality family time. So we did the, we had our, our sitter come in the morning and Rusty and I went out and had a walk and we went and worked shoulder to shoulder at this really cool community funded.

Event space downtown that just opened. It's beautiful. And you can walk up these stairs. There's all these standing tables, you can like hold events and stuff there, and it looks, overlooks the water. So we worked side by side. He was prepping for a seminar that he taught last weekend in Tacoma and so did that.

And then we went home. He, he picked up eating some school and then we just like closed computers, everything for the day. And started cooking right then and there, and I did all my favorites. I had rotisserie chicken, our local farm, Hidden Petty Farm, some of our favorites. My mom had just had a baby, they're just lovely.

The dad sells sourdough at Farmer's Market, very kindred souls, clearly. We rotisserie ed [01:14:00]one of their chickens, and then did cornbread, cranberry sauce. Mashed potatoes, gravy, festive salad, and a pumpkin pie. And so we started cooking at one, ate before three, you know, Christmas music, the whole thing. We took a family pack walk, came home, put on a Christmas movie, and sat and ate pie.

And I kid you not, I can't, before that moment, I can't remember the last time. At home, I sat on the couch for a whole movie, because I'm always like, cool, kids are watching something, like, what can I get done, and it just felt so good to sit there and eat pie and just like, fully let my body, and you know, Rusty was home, so I feel like I went to this full blown, just like, nervous system down on regulate mode, holidays are here, and it was lovely for, you know, those like, 72 hours he was home and then Friday, he turned around and left for Tacoma for until Sunday night to teach a CrossFit seminar.

But I set myself up Friday evening to have a sitter come, so like right when he was leaving, she came, my friend came over, dropped her little guy too, and the sitter watched all three kids and [01:15:00]there's a really fun maker's market downtown at the gym and coffee shop where I frequent. And so we went to this really sweet little wine bar, had a glass of wine, talked for like two hours.

And not very often we get to finish conversations because we're usually together with our kids. And then what went over to the farm, the maker's market, we took a, my friend just sent me a picture. Our, our, a friend was down there and she's a photographer taking pictures with Santa. And so my friend and I each sat on either side of him and like got a photo with Santa.

Some Christmas shopping, bought myself some earrings. It was just so lovely. And then we're home by seven, you know, so still in time for bedtime and just heated up some leftovers and it was lovely. It was just so lovely. And that set me up for like a really, I think smoother, much more smooth weekend.

Because I think I've shared here that over the summer I started to realize towards the end of summer that I was getting very lonely on the weekends. Because that's when I'm so used to having like our sacred family time, screen free, etc. And we just weren't, I wasn't getting that. And so, I'm just trying to set myself up and I talked to my friend at length about it, like this coming summer.

If Rusty is at the station on weekends again, I kind of just need her to be on [01:16:00] call. Like, if I'm feeling, those feelings creep up, she's like, just any time, let me know, we'll go for a walk, we'll get a drink, we'll get coffee, whatever it is. Like, thank you. Because I just, I found that my friends all keep their Sunday secret too, and I didn't want to impose on that.

But there were moments where I'm like, I need some social interaction right now. Like, I'm a 7. I need to get out. I need to do things. I need to be with a grown up. And so that's just lovely to have kind of set myself up in that way as well. And then Saturday I prepped a whole bunch of sticky buns and did my first ever pop up at the coffee shop on Sunday morning.

How did it go? Oh my God. So I showed up with 24 sticky buns. I thought you were going to have way more. I, it, it is a lot of work. Okay. Okay. So I, I, I could see myself getting upwards of 36, but, and now I'm also experimenting right now with a, with freezer, with freezing. And so anyways, I showed up with 24 and they were gone in like 50 minutes.

Oh my gosh. And I had multiple people say like, there is nothing like this in town. There's nothing that's like aesthetically [01:17:00] pleasing or delicious or fluffy. And so it just like, I can't even express to you how much I feel like that. And I had people ask for Christmas orders already. And so what I've, I, I'm doing another pop up at the coffee box a week from Saturday.

There's yoga that morning at the gym and then I'm going to set up at like 9 30. And the nice thing is, is they're so lovely. They bought them all. So the coffee shop bought them all for me. So I didn't have to deal with taking money or anything, but I was there. I had my books out starter. People could buy stuff.

I could just chat, get to know the community better. And then open conversations for Christmas orders. And so, excuse me, I'm doing a trial run right now, my, my parents are coming today, they're flying in from California, I'm picking them up at the Bainbridge Ferry, they're gonna walk on, and we got an Airbnb, and we're having like a pre Christmas, Christmas weekend basically, and so I, two days ago, Started a batch of sticky buns, and the same day that I had a workshop, it was a very sourdough filled day, started a batch, and after doing 24, a batch of 6 felt easy, and I'm really like [01:18:00] dialing it in, and so then I let them prove for like 4 hours, and then I put them in a freezer bag and froze them, and they look great right now.

And so I'm going to bring them, pop them in the freezer at the Airbnb. And then tomorrow morning, we're going to have like a mini Christmas and I'm going to, I'll leave them on the counter for about an hour when I first wake up, you know, and then we'll bake them. And this is my trial run. And I bought a vacuum sealer thing as well to like even better freeze.

And so I've already had three different people ask for Christmas orders. And this way, over the course of the next three weeks, I can just gradually make a dozen at a time and not overwhelm myself. Or I can, I can easily do, I think now two dozen at a time and I'll freeze them. And then people can just pull them out Christmas morning, let them sit for an hour and bake them and they'll be ready to go.

So it's fun to have this test run. I'm just going to buy some disposable pie plates and just do like six batches of six at a time or doing 12 at a time works really well as well. So I'm a bigger like baking trays depending on orders. So I think I'm just going to do a call out on social and be like, Hey, test run.

I'm willing to do like a [01:19:00] total of, I don't know, four dozen, whoever. says at first, and then I could just keep going from there. And I'm gonna do a pop up at the coffee box once a week, once a month. And I'm moving forward. I'm also gonna do a sourdough workshop once a month at Kindred downtown. I just feel like I have this, and then I've had people reach out about doing workshops in their houses.

And it's just, it is very fulfilling. I'm not, I'm trying not to overbook myself. In fact, I had agreed to doing a workshop at my friend's house the week before Christmas because she's got a bunch of family coming from the UK. But I'm going to text her today and see if she can do it the week between Christmas and New Year's because I just like, I also don't want to, I know that I have a tendency to overbook and I don't want this to become burdensome because right now it's very fun, but it also takes a lot.

I had a workshop on Tuesday, you know, and Rusty had been gone all weekend, workshop on Tuesday night, 6 to 8 p. m. By the time I got home, unwound, cleaned up, it was, got to bed at 10, I was so wired. And then the next morning I woke up, turned around, and I coached at nine. And I was just like, yesterday afternoon.

So it was Tuesday, [01:20:00] workshop, Wednesday, coached, worked all day. Yesterday afternoon, I cried twice. That's in full, like, transparency. And it was, I think it was just, Rusty's finally home. The month was crazy. It wasn't bad. It was just, I mean, there was a hard week, but it was just a lot, a lot. I didn't have a lot of space to feel.

And I think yesterday afternoon finally slowed down. I canceled the meeting and I just felt like very overwhelmed. Indie didn't nap long. She was like, just wanted to be held. I even tried putting a show on, not interested. And I was like, I need space to just veg. And I don't feel that often. And I just like, definitely, we went on a walk.

And it was like, okay, let's just get out. This is going to be great. Went for a walk. And then we took the shortcut through the alley, which is very safe and lovely. And there's just so many puddles. And Indy wore, Evie wore her green boots and Indy didn't. And so then it was like full meltdown because, you know, they were deep and I couldn't let her go in there.

And then so like this walk, this was to be like, I ended up towards the end of it. Like, but it was good. Like, it was good to get out. I needed to get outside. [01:21:00] But then, so I, and also I had to scoop her up to like navigate the puddles. I'm also walking the dogs and I come around the corner. Finally, I'm able to set her down on the sidewalk.

We start walking, and I just started crying. But it was good. I needed that release, you know. So anyways, all that to say, it's a lot, and I want to make sure that I keep it fun. But also, there's a lot of potential for income and like growing my business in this capacity, which will allow me to pull more from social and stuff.

And there's just a release there. So, and I just love being a part of this community. Like every time I host a workshop, I meet people that are just so cool. And then there's other avenues that open up, not necessarily business, but like relationship wise and whatnot. And so this, this place, the more I dive into local community and business and whatnot, it just keeps getting cooler.

So very excited about that. And about the holidays. I'm going to take that week between Christmas and New Year's, like just off, off. There's no cross at work. We shut down. I'm going to do, I'm hoping to just kind of sell out on social, I mean, on like Etsy. You just have my ebook [01:22:00] options. I am launching, by the time you're listening to this, there will be a very limited run special sourdough sisterhood ornament in my shop.

And there, I only have 30. I'm keeping one. So there's 29. I'm planning on selling, um, a few at least, putting them in the local store that I host workshops at for sale. So there'll be like 25 ornaments. So if you want one and I'll do option of just buy it by itself or you can do a bundle with a book, but I'm excited to launch that.

And yeah, just keeping it simple. Once that we have this holiday weekend with my parents and then next weekend we have the Christmas party at the gym, which we've set up. So we have our sitter coming and I asked her to come two hours before. This is very rusty in me. And so she's coming to us before we're going to go have a date for a couple hours and then go to like an hour of the Christmas party.

Nice. There's like unlimited drinks. Like I have only so much capacity for that kind of energy. And I love the family, like the community there. It's a wonderful, but like, I feel like I'll be good for the first hour and then we'll be home by, you know, 7 [01:23:00] 30 time for bedtime and just very us. So looking forward to some time with him.

And then it really feels like things just slow down until it's like through the new year. I've kind of come to the point where we've been trying to navigate. I think we're going to have some friends for. Solstice dinner, and I'm going to do my Christmas 14, like my Christmas savory pie. We watched Great British Baking Show last night and it's the The finale?

No, shh. Oh. The party won't The party won't film. God, you need to hurry up. And I, well, Steve's gone for two and a half weeks, so we couldn't watch without him. And so I got really inspired to like, I'm going to make some tweaks too and add to my, my savory Christmas pie. I think we'll do that for Solstice.

And then, and then we have, we're doing a holiday dinner with our, our like best friends in town three days before Christmas. And then we're just going to slow roll into that week and like nothing planned. Russ and I are actually going away for a night to Victoria, finally. And then we've been trying to like work in some other friends holiday festive dinners and I'm like, let's just do it at the beginning of the year.

Like I'm not the kind of person who on New Year's Day is like, okay, no [01:24:00] more festive food. And I'm, you know, I'm, as we've talked about, I'm pretty good at moderating. So for me to roll into the new year and still have fun, I can, why does the fun all have to end on New Year's Day? You know? We'll have Indy's birthday and then like.

And then it's like an open calendar. And so we'll do some fun holiday dinners with friends, I think, in the new year. And just like, you know, it's just like a winter, wintertime, cozy, delicious food. That's like so my jam. So you don't have to stop cooking at a festive and fermented on January 1st. Those recipes go all through the winter season.

It's officially over. No more festive things. No more good food. Your life is over. Make a resolution. Dry chicken and vegetables from now. I'm so sick of that bullshit. Anyways. So. Yeah, that is the latest here, I think. And then I don't know if I shared this yet. I know that I had shared at some point I was kind of going back and forth about what I want to do for Christmas dinner to keep it simple because last year I spent, it was just the four of us and I don't want to spend a lot of the day in the kitchen.

I love that, but also I love my family. And so we're doing like the big holiday [01:25:00] feast on the 22nd with our friends. And so we'll have a bunch of leftovers. I'm doing like the full U. S. wellness turkey, like the whole thing. And so I, I might've shared this, but we're going to do, so it's Christmas morning, sticky buns, sticky buns.

Always coffee, ornament, or stockings, gifts, and then we're going to go sledding. And then we'll come home, and I'm just going to do like a big, basically like panini, make your own panini option. And so like leftover turkey, I'll probably buy some ham, cranberry sauce, rusty loaves potatoes, and then we'll just like cast iron pan, toast them, kind of smash them, and then have a big like lunar of just giant leftover sandwiches.

And then I'm going to do like my real deal apple pie, top, bottom, crust, whole thing. And that'll be Christmas. And I'm just really looking forward to that. So. Yeah, that is like, what's on my brain, verbally vomited on all of you. Thanks for listening. Life is good. I've got, we've got a good morning rhythm. My workout, I guess is the last thing that it's kind of been.

I'm falling into a rhythm here is, you know, I was like really [01:26:00] loving having consistent gym time and I still am, but I've just shifted it because I've found like I'm doing, I'm, you know, I go through different seasons. Like for a little while I was doing like double boosted coffee early morning and then another one after I work out and then I'd work a bunch.

My body is wanting more like food food in the mornings earlier, I'm just, I always try and tune in and I know that I can't do that like coffee, boosted coffee kind of quote unquote fasting for long stretches, sometimes it serves me really well, I think more clearly and then I notice a shift where I'm like, okay, I need like more of a substantial meal earlier in the day and so imagine that like tuning in and so I've shifted things a little bit based on that and like having a sitter come to help me a few days a week.

Okay. And so what's happening now is I'm like trying to get my workout in, like I'll jump into it like right when we get off this podcast and I just do it in the living room, barefoot, a lot of like, I got some heavier dumbbells, so it's like heavy dumbbells or kettlebell, a lot of like burpee chair step overs and like body weight stuff.

And I'm finding I'm able to push myself pretty hard [01:27:00] and then I'll like nourish us all, feed, you know, we all eat together, which I've been loving. And then the sitter comes. And, um, with Indy we'll walk Evie to school and it's been so sweet and then I still get to do that some days a week, but like when she does come and then I take off and I'll go work until nap time.

And so that's been working out really well. And so while during that work session, at least three days a week, what I'll do is I will then bop it at the gym and lift. So I'm like doing like a, like quicker metabolic kind of, you know, Metcon workout early in the morning and then a few days a week I'll get a lift in later in the day.

And I'm just, I like to share my journey because I know a lot of moms listening are like trying to navigate schedule shifts and like, and just a point to like, you can work out for 10 minutes in the morning, real quick in your living room, barefoot, and then if you have the space later in the day, like, get, get something a little bit heavier and like, it doesn't have to be an hour long fitness session at the gym.

You got, you can make it flex to what, to your needs. And then sometimes I'll be like, I don't feel like lifting. I'm just gonna go for a walk. But I try and work in some extra movement later [01:28:00] in the morning. And yeah. Yeah, that's, that's my current situation. I love that. It's getting hot in here, so take off, wait, it's not that kind of podcast, but it is getting hot in here and I need to fill you in on one of my latest obsessions from Paleo Valley.

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But, you know, I've been consuming a lot of content, obviously, made for me. For, for women who are in their 40s, getting there, you know, like entering this, this era. And like, there's just so much. What motivates me is because there's so much information and research out there about The importance of maintaining muscle mass.

[01:30:00] And strength as you get older, because Tim and I were just talking about this. He reads a lot of it and kind of regurgitates it to me. So this is all secondhand accounts of his firsthand information. But like you start that your ability to put on muscle decreases, I think once you are, I think it's 50 is what he said.

And so being able to go into your forties, fifties. With like a decent amount of strength and muscle mass is like, apparently it's like a huge indicator of longevity and health as you age. And so like, that's all that's like right now. It's like just in the forefront of my mind because I'm like, okay, I'm 40.

Like I feel it. Honestly, if I'm being 100 percent honest, if you'd have asked me last year, 2022, if I felt like it was about to turn 40, I would have been like, no, not at all. I feel like I feel like age is nothing but a number like. Everything's great, you know, and then, you know, fast forward to really like this [01:31:00] catalyst of like tuning into my health was my back injury that kind of like brought me to my knees and still continues to be a huge thing that I, I, I'm functional, but like, I'm not, my back is not like thriving.

I feel it every single day. Like I feel it right now sitting in the chair. Like I, I am mindful of it always. And so going into like this. Like if you ask me now, but you know, you do you feel 40? I'm like Uh, some days I really do. And I don't know what that means. I mean, because that's all relative, but like, I guess my, my real answer, my insightful answer is like, I am feeling my body is aging in different ways.

Like I'm not bouncing back quickly, you know, the whole back thing, like just needing a lot more. What I feel like is intentional attention. Versus like in my twenties and thirties, it's like, I could, I could just really skate by with poor [01:32:00] nutrition, poor health or poor sleep, you know, so, so, you know, movement over exercising, I could really like push those limits and, and be okay, most I'm doing air quotes, but now it's like my body and it's, I believe for me, it's a good thing, it's a lesson that I'm learning, it's like, wait a minute, like you have to tune in and I just actually talked about this On the podcast I recorded with Allie Vaughn about sobriety and like tuning in to your body because we talked about this at length also like that is not historically.

Something that comes naturally to me, like I'm not into I in the past have not been like an intuitive eater or an intuitive exerciser or like, it's like almost like I've lived most of my life trying to do all the things I can do to ignore how I'm feeling, how my body's feeling any feelings whatsoever, because they can get so overwhelming for me.

This is like a huge tangent, but just like Now, [01:33:00] entering into my 40th year, at least in regards to exercise, it's like I am really tuning in. I'm having to tune in. And I, for me, I have a hard time being like, what do I want to do today? Like what, what, what sounds good? I really thrive when I'm like, I have a plan, even if it's like just an eight, like every eight weeks I choose something different, but like when I know I can go, this is what I do, I don't have to think, I don't have to like watch a million videos to learn some new movement, like I can just show up and go and be like, okay, I, this is what I'm doing.

I don't have to use my brain and that way I am much more like I just thrive and so I've been doing a program that's an eight week shrink program. I've been loving it. It's been great. I even like kind of doctored it a little bit to like more fit what I need like there's a like a long kind of warm up session before and then like a cardio session at [01:34:00] the end, which I just like kind of cut and do all my like back and breathing exercises before and after and it's just.

It's like, it's great. I don't know where or why. I think I had a point based off what you were sharing, and I feel like I lost that point. Because you're talking about how like we're all a little bit different in terms of our like needs. Yes, yes, yes. And so, okay, yes, bringing it back. I think we're all different, but I think it's for various reasons.

Like sometimes it's because Of our season of life. Sometimes it's because of our age or physical limitations, how our body's feeling. Sometimes it's just like kind of who we are. Like I mentioned, like I, I'm not someone that's just like going to pop up and be like, what do I want to do today? What sounds good?

So I will literally change a workout. Like I will, I'll have it in my brain and I'll just start and I'm like, Ooh, I'm gonna, I will like seal my body and my, and then I'll just be like, like mid workout or mid first few reps audible. It's just, it's so interesting. And maybe it's because I've been like programming and coaching.[01:35:00]

And moving in this way for so long that I can, like, feel it. Sometimes I'll add reps or whenever, like, mid workout, because I can just tell what my body's needing in that moment. And, like, it's so, it's, you know. That's incredible. Honestly, that is, like, a super power. Because for me, and it's one of the reasons why, like, I don't go into a CrossFit gym.

These days is because, like, it does not matter how fucking it's feeling. I'm like, that's what it says on the board. And that's what I'm going to do. It's taken time. I mean, I hurt myself and I did. I was training like Jason Calipa and Miranda Oldroyd and trying to keep up when I had been an endurance athlete for years and they were like, had been doing CrossFit for years.

And it took, it took time and, and attention and a much better relation, I kind of don't love this, but like relationship with fitness to get here, but I love it. Well, I'm, I like fitness a lot, but I'm inspired by that constantly. I want you to know that because it's like, I, [01:36:00] I, I think I still at 40, I have, I'm having to like unravel like a disordered relationship with exercise.

It's constantly trying to push back to like, I have to do this. Because if I don't, then I can't have all the holiday treats that I want. Like, these are thoughts that kind of lurk in the back of my mind. They're not always there, but it's like, I can feel them creeping in, like, you know, depending on like, just how stressed I am or how, you know, things are going, I'm constantly having to battle that.

And so it's like, I just admire your headspace around it. And it really, really motivates me to work on that. Because it's, that shit is hard when you've had like a lifetime of just kind of disordered thoughts around fitness and food and all that. So I'm proud of you, friend. Thank you. I think it's so weird to say, but I feel like sourdough has played such a big role in that, which is so weird, but it has, especially the food bit.

But I feel like my, like [01:37:00] food, I've always been I've always like really loved food, but I'm, as you know, I can lean, I'd say towards, and this is a kind of a big word. I don't feel like I have this situation anymore, at least for sure. But like the orthorexia where it's like, I am so, I can be so anal retentive and I think it's a control.

I know it's a control thing about quality. And I'm really trying to like let up on that more, like, where's the source? Where does this flower come from? Like, is there canola in here? I can get like very, but also it matters to me and it impacts how I feel. And so I'm like, find that balance, quote unquote, balance of like.

I care deeply. What's in our home, I don't have a lot of, there's not a lot of, like, leniency on because it matters a lot to me for so many reasons. It's multifaceted. It's like sustainability piece, supporting local farmers, our health, longevity, et cetera, but I'm working on getting more lax out of the home and I think I've come a long way and it doesn't feel as like, I don't feel like it takes, requires as much effort anymore.

I just am way more lax on it. And then, but like the fitness stuff for me, I feel like [01:38:00] that was the most problematic back in high school. And it stemmed from really wanting to like, knowing that I was a skilled field hockey player, but really wanting to earn a captain spot. My coaches cared so deeply. Like their main thing was how fast are you?

Not like you're necessarily like your stick work. And so I just, there was a summer where I literally, and I was not a good runner. I was super insecure about it early in high school. I hated running. I was, was the back of the pack. I was like, I'm going to change this. And then I just got obsessive. And the fitness I would train for, I mean, like all the way through college, just like hours.

Yeah. And so for me to hit a 7 to 10 minute Metcon in the living room and then like a quick stretch after and then go lift, like yesterday I walked in the gym, stretched a little bit, you know, loaded the bar and did a 10 minute EMOM of cleans, had a lighter weight, felt my body and like, so altogether it was like 20 minutes of real fitness.

Like that, for me, it sounds crazy to some people, and I, you know, we're all on different spectrums, but like, that's, that's a win. Mm hmm. [01:39:00] Totally. And I keep having to tell myself, like, I don't actually have to spend an hour in the gym. Like, I can go in and do those things, like, for me, what, what, and people will argue this all day.

Like, some people are like, walking is not exercise, and some people are like, walking is the best exercise. And I feel like, if I can. Get a strength session in, and even if it's 20 minutes in the gym, great. If I can like, somehow book in my day in the front or the back or even in the middle, whenever, like with a walk that's like 20 to 30 minutes or more, if I'm lucky, like, I just feel like that has such an impact on me, and it's like, it's low impact physically.

Which is what I need right now. You know, it's like, I, I just, I'm not interested in crushing myself, you know, so I don't know. I never underestimate the power of a regular walks. I feel like I did this [01:40:00] survey or I kind of like did a question box. I need to share these and I need to actually respond just terrible.

It's like I get, I get these like moments where I get on instagram. I'm like, yeah, I can engage. I can post. Yeah. I'll post something and then people will respond and then I'll just never get a chance to go back and respond. So if you're listening to this, I read all of your messages and marked them unread so I could respond.

I'm just like never going to be able to do it. But I asked people, what's your 80 20? Like, what's your, because I'm in a season of life where I cannot do all the things I just like physically and mentally cannot do all the things that I normally do in terms of like healthy stuff. And so I was like curious, like if you had to prioritize, you know, one or two things that give you the most benefit health wise, like what would they be?

And most of the answers were pretty, I mean, I think pretty much everyone was really tuned into it. But a couple of the top ones were obviously daily movement, walking, a [01:41:00] good like solid protein slash meal intake and Protein's huge. It's made a big difference for me. Totally. And water. And I'm like, yeah. Oh, sleep.

Sleep was the other one. And so it's like, it's not Yes, there. Yeah, there's like, there's so many things we can do. We can do red light and we could do parasite cleanses. Not a knock on that. Like, those are all beneficial and like, we can do supplements and we can do, God, I can't even like acupuncture and chiropractor.

We can do all these things and they're amazing. Like for real amazing and beneficial. But like the to me, like the basics are always going to be the most and well, those other things are going to take you to the next level and make you feel just incredible. But like, 80 percent of how you're feeling, I feel like is coming from, are you sleeping well?

And not necessarily like amount, but like the, the, the sleep that you're getting, is it quality? Right? Like, are you feeding your body? Are you getting enough protein? Are you drinking water? Like [01:42:00] it sounds easy or it sounds like, you know, common sense, but like for me, it's like some days I will not have a sip of water all day aside from coffee.

Can you believe that? That's like I really can't I think I can't either when I actually say it out loud. I'm like, are you kidding me? You're not freaking I have a gift idea for you I will just I'm just gonna spoil the surprise but because I'm really bad at this but like when I think of a gift that I know will serve someone I'm like I this is I'm not good at gifting outside of that I'm gonna buy you a quencher a Stanley quencher because it has changed my world in terms of hydration Wait, I think I have a quencher.

What's a, what's a, I have a Stanley. It's a water bottle that fits in the cup holder and has a straw. I think I have that. Keep it, have one in every room. I drink so much water because it's, the straw's just there. I'm like, Oh, I walked by like a sip. And then also put trace minerals in there because that will serve you way better.

I know. I [01:43:00] know. Okay. So I have the Stanley. What Tim was like, literally, do I have to get you like, he, his idea was getting me a camel back because it's like, I'm working, like I'm, I'm working nonstop. I mean, from like, while I'm shooting, it's like, I am just around. Transcribed The table and the computer and I can't really have water around like all the machinery and stuff like sitting there because.

That's happened before and I don't want to go back there, but he's like, if you had a cable back on your back, would you just like, would you sip on it? And I'm like, I don't know. I mean, maybe in theory, yes. So yes, working on like hacks and so, and, and also trying to front load my day with the things that I know will serve me.

So like not waiting until later to work out, not waiting. Until it's too late to eat my first meal, you know, like I hadn't been eating because I was drinking coffee and then I would, you know, jump right into work and then by the time I'm actually ready to eat, either my appetite is gone because I've waited so long or I'm just [01:44:00] like snacking on like little bites here and there when I'm making or like then I like just binge and it's usually not great, whatever chips I can find within a bag that are stale, Oh, And so it's just like, it's, it's like, so far I say it a lot and I'm like, Jess, like, you're an adult, like, get it, like, part of my self talk, and it's tough love, self talk, I'm not like trying, I'm not tearing myself down, I'm like, get it together, like, come on, like, you know what to do, you just need to do it, like, you can make time, you have, and ultimately at the end of the day, yes, it's a huge busy season, but like, I have control of my schedule, because I keep saying like, I don't have time, I can't do that, And Tim's like, you can make time and I'll get frustrated because I'm like, you don't understand.

I can't make time. Things are so hard. And the reality of the situation on a good day when I have perspective is like, I can actually do those things to take care of myself and I have to or else I'm just not going to make it. So anyways, that's my rant. I haven't even [01:45:00] talked about my birthday. I want to hear all about your birthday.

So I mean, it's and also you're doing a good job and just the awareness there is huge and Get a freaking camelback. Is it gonna be like the first photographer that's wearing a camelback? Well, it were. I'm gonna seriously consider it. But, yeah, so like, turned 40 on Tuesday. And, you know, did I share about Kansas City?

Tim's, Tim planning Kansas City. Okay, I already shared about that. Yeah. Love, love him so much. He's the most precious. But so like, everyone keeps asking me like, did you do something big? Are you having a big party? You know, all that stuff. And I, I feel like there's just a lot of pressure on the 40th and rightly so.

I mean, it's a big birthday. It's a big birthday. It's technically, you know, if I live past 80, it's like, I'm almost halfway there. And so it's a big birthday, but like, I, it's not my style really to like, have a big shindig for myself [01:46:00] and also like, I just would not be comfortable being like the center of that much attention.

I love, what I love is little pockets, little intimate, like one on one surprises. And so my day was perfect. So, so, I mean, it could have been. I did have to do one recipe and I was like debating Tim was like can't you just like not do it and I was like you know what honestly like I will feel more stressed because this had a deadline on it if I push it then if I just knock it out right now in the morning and then have the rest of the day so that's what that's what I did like Tim kind of helped Like, clean up the house while I was doing a recipe and then, you know, put that away.

Got dressed. He took me out to lunch to one of my favorite restaurants here in town. If anyone ever comes to San Antonio, you gotta go to Best Quality Daughter. It's like an Asian, it's just a really cool, like, Asian fusion restaurant. It's been featured in Bon Appetit. It's just like, [01:47:00] cool vibe on the inside and they have like an outdoor patio.

The food is always phenomenal. There's gluten free options. It's just like. Oh, it's just my love language. Tim doesn't like, like, Asian cuisine, really of any kind, and so I always pull that card when it's my birthday or like I have a choice. I'm like, I want to go there or this other restaurant called Hot Joy.

But anyways, we went to lunch there. It was Wonderful. Tim and I got like FaceTime. We got to have a conversation and then we went and got coffee. So we were at the Pearl. Again, if you're in San Antonio, this is like kind of like the touristy place to go, but they have a really good coffee shop there. I got a vanilla orange iced latte, which sounds really weird, but like it was so good.

I'm dreaming of ways to recreate it. Tasted like cereal milk. It was right up my alley. And then, so I haven't shopped for myself in a really long time, I shared about that the last episode, [01:48:00] like I bought myself a few things that I needed, but like pretty much this whole year, it's either been thrifting, which is buying myself stuff, but I haven't even thrifted in like months for myself for like clothing and my kids are like, Well, everyone makes fun of me.

I feel like everyone has this pair of pants, but maybe I'm just projecting. I have these, it's actually two pairs of joggers. One was gifted to me by our mutual friend, Christy, who worked at Lululemon a long time ago. And she gifted me these joggers. And so they were already secondhand when she gifted them to me.

And now, oh, you can just imagine. Like the butt is like literally see through. And sagging, like, horribly. Like, I can't even put my actual legs through the pants because the material is so saggy that it gets, like, caught on it. And the same thing goes for my other pair of joggers, but everyone is like, You need new joggers.

And I was like, okay, I'm gonna go [01:49:00] shop, get a new pair of joggers. So I did and it was great. I'm actually like, I hate shopping. I actually really love shopping when I have time and it's not a rush and I like just, you know, I, I enjoy it. I'm one of those weird people that's just like, I like it. Tim hates it, but he put up with it for me.

He sat outside the dressing room. He commented on everything that I was asking him questions about. He was just like, he was great. So got some new joggers. I had so many lovely, wonderful messages from friends, including you and just. Everyone who is like near and dear to me really spoke a lot of like beautiful truth and podcast listeners.

I can't tell you like, I'll cry. I'll probably cry thinking about it, but I had so many podcast listeners reach out and just be like, you know, I've been listening for since the beginning and I just adore you and speaking truth You are, you know, honest and thoughtful and funny and just telling me so many [01:50:00] wonderful things that, you know, you just like don't normally hear on a daily basis, even though people, you know, might think it about you.

It's not often that they get prompted to like actually verbally tell you. And so just like it was honestly the best gift anyone could give me is words like that because it's like. I'm a words of affirmation gal, and it like just filled my heart so much. I felt so loved and got a visit from some family and gifts.

And then Tim made me like a huge, it's like, it's not healthy. And well, I mean, shrimp is healthy, whatever. It doesn't matter. My food of my like meal of choice. Anytime it's like birthday or anniversary or anything, it's fried shrimp. I don't care, like, I don't care what oil you fry it in, I don't care. It doesn't have to be healthy, it doesn't have to be gluten free, like, none of that.

matters to me. I just want it to be fried. Shrimp makes me think of you. Cause I think about like when I was pregnant and we [01:51:00] had the retreat in Austin and we don't, we, I, I was like, I have to eat at the greens place. Like, that's all I wanted. Remember? And I wanted the same bowl every time with the same things in it.

And that would be like, so overly full and it was so great. And you, every single time you get the shrimp and like, anytime we go anywhere and there's shrimp, I'm like, well, I know what Jess was getting. Oh, I mean, it's just like, it's a given. If there's shrimp on the menu, I'm going to have it. Even if it's not my primary meal, like.

I'll get this, but then I'm also getting the shrimp and also the shrimp, a side of shrimp. But it's like, it's crazy. And I joke about it all the time with my family. Like, it's like eating air. Like we got, we fried two pounds of shrimp. Tim did for my birthday and Cammy doesn't really like it, but she did eat.

She had like five of them, which was amazing. And the bear, Tim and I, Bear loves him just as much as I do. Like that's his food too. Like his birthday food. We crushed the entire two pounds and I didn't even feel. Full. I was like, if there was more shrimp here, I would eat more. Yeah. I mean, two pounds between three [01:52:00] people and you're, I guess, I don't know.

You leave the tails, right? You leave the tails. Yeah. So that's like, that's a, that's like a, at least a quarter pound of it right there. I'm thinking about like the amount of like chicken we'll eat or beef. Yeah, that's true. That's like all the protein, you know, I'm like, I'll, I'll eat at least a third a pound of chicken in a sitting at least.

That's about like, I typically go for like. Yeah, I'm trying to do math. How many ounces in a pound? Anyways, plenty. So it makes sense to me. Now that you said it that way, it makes more sense to me. But when we were looking at this like giant platter of fried shrimp, I was like, Oh my God, this is so much shrimp.

But we crushed it. And it was amazing. And we had ice cream. And so one of the recipes that I made That morning was these, like, incredible dark chocolate peanut butter cups, so we crushed them all up and put them in the ice cream and that was, like, the dessert that I wanted. So anyways, I mean, I would say it wasn't, like, [01:53:00] unique, but it was special and it was exactly what I wanted and we're still planning on, so we're not going to Kansas City.

But we are planning on doing, I think we're going to go to Mexico, and I've shared about this too, but we are, like, we just, we're, we've got an appointment for passport stuff for the kids, so that's like step one, and then we're going to do that, and, you know, that's like what I really think of, like, the real, not the real celebration, but like, if I was going to say, like, oh, I did something for my 40th, it's going to be this trip, so it's just going to happen during the summer, so, you know.

It was wonderful. I, it's like, I, people ask me if I feel different or older and I'm like, some days, yes, or, you know, talking to my back feels, yeah, yeah, I mean, really my back is kind of like the barometer. Like some days I really feel like things are, you know, it's just your body is getting older and I feel that.

And then some days I'm like, no, I feel. Exactly the same. It's like, it's really weird to me when I [01:54:00] think about, like, 20 years ago, I was in college, but like, that doesn't, that, like, it does 20 years ago I was in college. Like, that stuff is when I'm like, whoa, what is happening? Like, I don't understand that because I was just, like, I'll listen to music from like my grad school days and I'm like, that's just like yesterday.

And I'm like, no, that was like, Not even. That was like 15, 17 years ago. I keep getting hung up on the fact that, like, when we met, my sister was 13 years old. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So we, I mean, he's like, sure. I mean, he's watched me grow up in many ways, too. But like, that's just a weird, for me, that weird.

Yeah. I mean, she was like, three years older than Bear. Wow. That's weird. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, time is just bananas. But you know what's marching on? Celebrating 40, headed into this next decade. I feel really. Actually very expectant and hopeful about [01:55:00] 2024. I mean, I could go. It could take a turn like it kind of did in 2023, but I feel like that's not what's going to happen.

I feel like there's a lot around the corner for our family, like we've been having major life conversations. Maybe a move. Yeah, potentially moving. I know we're going to have to, we're outgrowing this house as it is. So. There's gonna be either a move, like, laterally here in town to, like, a different house.

We'll probably keep this house and rent it. A land by Peninsular. I mean, I mean, really anywhere. We could go anywhere. And I think that's almost the hardest part because it's like, but where? And we need to visit. And like, you know, there's just so much to it. But I mean, eventually we're gonna have to make a decision.

You know, I think we'll be doing that. You know, Bear had his, he had a shadow day yesterday at a potential school here in town. It's just hilarious. You know, I asked him how it was. He's like, cafeteria smelled really good. Two girls flirted with me. I was [01:56:00] like, my eyes rolled so hard back into my head. It's amazing.

And I was like, Okay, what does that mean? Essentially, two girls walked by him. In the gym and like waved at him and I was like, okay, that's, that's 10 year old flirting and you know, he liked it. So, I mean, it's a great option. We'll see, but you know, the kids are also open to like moving and so that feels comforting.

So I, I just don't know. I don't know what's ahead and it feels okay. Tim had a interview for a job, a project. Earlier this week, I have no expectations because we've just, I just can't because I will, I don't want to get disappointed, but I'm hopeful because it sounds like a really good fit and they're apparently moving fast, so we'll learn if he gets it or not, like soon.

That's just some clarity. Yeah, some clarity there. And, you know, the food photography stuff is rocking and rolling. I'm feeling, I'm feeling overwhelmed because I'm trying, [01:57:00] like you mentioned, I'm trying to squeeze. I'm trying to take like almost two weeks off while the kids are home for two weeks. I really want to like be shooting recipes like I think I might have a business shoot in town at the same place I've done before, which I'm fine with, but like I don't want to be cooking and trying to do stuff at home while the kids are at home.

A, I want to spend time with them. B, it just doesn't work well. And so I'm really craving a lot of work in every day, but I'm almost there. Like, I'm literally almost there. Probably a few more shoot days and we'll be able to kind of like edit and send off all those for December. And so. I'm looking forward to January where I'm, I'm not going to be trying to cram a month's worth of work, months worth of work into a smaller timeframe, just to see what like, just to see what a regular rhythm will be like.

And I, I'm hopeful for that. And. Let's see, is anything else? Those are all [01:58:00] the main things. I mean, life is, is full, but it's good. I'm really trying to also to like, not, I just want to be more present during this season. It's my favorite season. Historically, I just love it so much and I'm able to be present and do You know, just like have fun with the kiddos and to be, I didn't really share about this last week.

I think this is probably the last Christmas where like it's truly, Oh yeah. You know, like there's like, well, I don't know if he truly believes in Santa, but like, you know, it's like there's this going along with it. Yeah. At least going along with it. And we haven't had the conversation and I expect it's going to happen this, you know, after this Christmas.

Which is fine and totally age appropriate, it's just I don't want to blink in it to be gone, you know, so I'm just really trying to be intentional with that and we're going to do all of our Christmas traditions, we're going to stay home, we're going to do like [01:59:00] a croissant or like a Fresh toast bake. Yeah.

I try to eat recipes that he won't, he's like not into it. He's like, I'd rather, I just want a croissant. He doesn't want, he's not like a casserole or like bake guy. So I'm going to do it, but not for a holiday. Cause he's like not super on board. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I mean the one you, with your croissants, the half baked harvest with like the, like cream cheese and the jam kind of like mixed into it.

Holy cow. Or like fresh fruit. If you don't want to do the jam. I could just, I can taste it. Oh my god. Sounds so good. It's amazing. Anyways, we're gonna do that. We're gonna, I think actually this year we're, we might go to Corpus to my brother in law's for New Year's Eve. Oh fun. And just hang. Like, we probably play cards.

We have this game, this family game that we play all the time. Play cards, kids can hang out. Like, you know, just. We never do anything on New Year's Eve because it's like, we got kids, they go to bed at like 9, and so this year I think they might try and hang with us. Cool. So, yeah, it's just, it's gonna be good.

Gonna be really good. I have a good feeling. 40, [02:00:00] 40's gonna be Yeah, I see you 40. It's gonna be good. I just heard a wee little, mama. Aw, perfect timing. Just in time, I know. Oh, well, happy birthday. I'm just I love you so much. And I know you were showered with love. And I feel like listening to you explain your day to me.

I'm like, that makes sense. That's interesting. Yeah. So that's amazing. It is great. Because Tim was joking. Like, you want to do a hike? You want to like, well, all the things that he likes to do. He's joking. And I was like, that's a Tim day. That's not adjusting. I like it. It's like, I like all those things. But like, if we're doing the things that I want to do on a day where it's just like, You know, all about me.

It's a lot of eating, a lot of, it's just how it should be on your birthday. Anywho, well, thanks, friend. I love you. Always a joy. Thanks for listening, everyone. Yes. And we look forward to chatting again soon. I don't know when we'll record next, but it'll be great. And then we ask for feedback on like what you want from Patreon, but also let us know [02:01:00] what kind of topicals you want in the new year.

Or if you're like, hey, skip them all together and just keep catching up, let us know that too, because You know, we kind of like put topicals on hold until the new year, and I'm sure we'll do more of a holiday focused one or like an intentions for 2024 one, but also, like, let us know if there's specific things you want us to talk about versus like an expert to talk about.

Yes, please. Please give us feedback. Like, I just feel like now's the perfect time to get that as we go into the new year and start making plans. It's like, there are thousands of people to listen to this podcast. We don't hear very often from, I mean, we hear like, hey, like, hi, you know, thumbs up emoji, heart emoji, stuff like that.

But like, I, I like this. I want this the year to be where, like, I get to know those other thousands of people that are tuning in. Like, you're tuning in. Weekly. Why? What do you love? I want to know why. What do you love? Tell us what you love. If that's easier, then we'll just do more of that. Yeah. Tell us what you love.

That'd be great. All right. [02:02:00] Cool. Sweet. Well, thanks, Karin. Yeah. We'll talk to you next week, friends. See you soon. I mean, talk to you soon. Bye.

Thanks for listening to our podcast. See you next time. Bye.[02:03:00]