MMP Episode 311: Your Pelvic Floor Sucks with Dr. Lindsay Mumma
This week, Laura sits down with her friend Dr. Lindsay Mumma, owner of Triangle Chiropractic, wife, mother to two boys, speaker, life enthusiast, and author.Lindsay chats all about her new book, Your Pelvic Floor Sucks, and sheds light on the opportunities we all have to improve our overall health, vitality, and longevity by getting curious and proactive when it comes to our pelvic floor health. Don’t miss this one, friends. Trust.
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MMP Episode 311: Your Pelvic Floor Sucks with Dr. Lindsay Mumma
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Laura: everyone, it's Laura here with my wonderful friend Lindsay Muma, who, gosh, you've been on the podcast twice.
Lindsay: Before this, I think just once. Just once. But
Laura: then you came on and you were like a guest, a special, extra, special guest speaker for one of our
Lindsay: virtual workshops as well. Yes. We did the sourdough sisterhood thing, and we did the sour sisterhood thing. Yep.
Laura: I mean, it's special because you, you came on actually as a guest speaker for one of our Modern Mama's podcast, virtual retreats, and then we did, yeah, I started a workshop together and then we've just done all the things.
So yeah. I'm just so glad [00:02:00] you're here and to get to chat all things pelvic floor and why yours, not yours, but yours, the listener potentially could use some love. Maybe It sucks. We'll
Lindsay: see. Well, so like, I'm a, I'm such an intentional person, especially around language, and there was this little part of me that was like, I don't really wanna put it out there, like, your pelvic floor sucks because I don't want you thinking that about yourself.
But it literally kept coming up to me, like patients were saying those words to me. Yeah. And I was like, and, and every single time that he did, I was like, You're right because your pelvic floor can suck up and in and do a Kegel. That is exactly correct. And also because that's the only thing you know about your pelvic floor.
That's why it sucks in the way that you're telling me it sucks. Yeah. And so kind of taking it from negative connotation, but I very intentionally have a book that when I am walking through the airport, because this is how I promote my book, I walk through the airport carrying my own book because [00:03:00] people do a double take because they're like, did I just read what I thought?
I just read? And so, you know, it, it catches people's attention. Yeah. And then if you like, I, I, I think that there is such power in saying thing that is so blatantly obvious and so blatantly true that people are still a little bit attempting to sweep under the rug that your pelvic floor sucks. That's the name of the book.
I'm gonna say it. And, and I don't want people to. Own that. I want them to realize like, yeah, this sucks and there's something I can do about it. I'm gonna fix it. It's an opportunity. Yeah. And take it like, not just that I'm gonna cross my legs every single time that I sneeze or I'm gonna run to the bathroom before I have a workout.
No, this sucks. And I'm gonna do something about it because I'm sick of it sucking. I love it so
Laura: much. And again, with the intentionality around words, it's also Yeah, very punny. I mean, it's nice to have that same, like you've got the word sucks, which like physically it's what something that's happening.
And then also Right. You know, something we can always, we can
Lindsay: work on so we [00:04:00] can improve upon this. Yeah. Beautiful. Okay. You know like when, when patients will talk about like, oh yeah, well that's just my bad, fill in the blank. And I'm like, that's not bad at all that that knee of yours is letting you know that the biomechanics here are off.
There are a lot of things we can do about it. It's like I won't let patients use negative verbiage surrounding their body. So that's what like a lot of people are like, I can't believe that you made that your title, but Dr. Maryanne DMAC is who edited my book for me. And she was like, you know, I think that it is the right level of aggressive.
I think in 10 years we're gonna look back and be like, wow, that was an aggressive title. But she was like, somebody needs to say it. Yeah. So, and leave it to, she'll say it. Yeah.
Laura: The fitting one to say it. I love it so much. And a conversation starter. And, and you can, you've got thick skin, so someone comes at you, you're like, yeah, let's talk about it.
You know, there's no failure, only feedback. There's, right. Any like, quote unquote problem is an opportunity for, to, for, to like take, I always think about that with like pregnancy and postpartum, right? Our bodies change a ton, and I'm gonna introduce you [00:05:00] in a second, but this is just fresh on my mind cause it just, I just wrote some
Lindsay: concept gonna get into like who I'm right.
It's just talk and be fine. It's like you have this like really great athlete, let's say, who's competitive
Laura: in like all this or they've been doing crossing forever.
Lindsay: Who, whatever your thing is, your sport is your life requires of you.
Laura: You're good at that thing, not existing in whatever way. And then you have a baby in, for a lot of people it's like, oh man.
12 steps back, or my body's so broken now, or like, I'm a mess. But if we could spin
Lindsay: that and be like, what a cool opportunity to reset, and I'm sure you'll dive
Laura: into this and then come back better, stronger, fitter, healthier, more efficient, more effective, feeling better. It's like it's an opportunity. It's not a, I don't know, that's, that's how I like to look at it at least.
Lindsay: Yeah. Well that's what you know, Melissa Hemphill, like she is the one who said it best. Like she took her postpartum journey and made it into an opportunity to actually become a better athlete. And I actually just, I went to visit her a couple of weeks ago. We were hanging out and it's just like she is the most, she's such an efficient mover and she's so athletic [00:06:00] and she is, she sent me a text this week talking about how she was doing some track and field stuff, and so she had the pole vault record at the United States Air Force Academy for year, like until like maybe two years ago.
I don't remember exactly when somebody else finally broke her record, but she. She was doing like track and field meet somewhere around her. And she was like, I was like, how did it go? And she said, you know, she won all of her events. And I was like, that is, of course you did. That's about right. You know, and you know, and she has, she has four kids and she's like, she just, she's an incredible athlete and she's always been an incredible athlete.
But she took her postpartum healing as an opportunity to not just heal her postpartum body and love her postpartum body, but she intentionally was like, I will actually make myself a better athlete as a result of having the opportunity to be postpartum. Yeah. And you know, so like I, last summer I reached one of my fitness goals, which is ridiculous, completely ridiculous.
But when I [00:07:00] was in chiropractic college, there was a doctor who was doing his rehab residency, his name's Dr. Sean Gallagher, and he brought in this video. Of a woman crushing a watermelon with her thighs. And I was like, remember that? Hey, I wanna do that. Like, that's amazing. And I tried it and I was like, oh my God, that hurts really bad.
And I'm, that's what, how does one crush a watermelon with her thighs? And, and then I was like, no, you know what, this is, this is a goal of mine. I am going to do this someday. So, you know, I graduated from chiropractic college. I had kind of gotten into doing triathlons. My husband and I did a half iron for our wedding day.
Like that was our, you know, goal was to finish the race so we could get married, which that's, I don't know how else I would finish a half Ironman, but we were like kind of heavy into triathlete stuff for a little while. And then I got into CrossFit and then I got, Pregnant. And then it was like, it just kind of like the, the idea of like crushing a watermelon with my thighs was like, yeah, someday I'm gonna do that.
But it wasn't like top of mind. Then in 2021, I had a really nasty concussion and so, oh God. And it was my seventh concussion. So [00:08:00] I don't recommend those, and I don't recommend that you do them multiple times. But like, as I was healing, I was like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do nasal breathing through all of my workouts cuz it's, it's gonna help kind of like slow me down to the level that I need to be and I'm just gonna build up my, my capacity and my stability and blah, blah, blah.
And then last summer I was like, you know what? I think like, now's the time, now is the time I'm gonna crush a watermelon with my thighs. Like I've had two kids, I've grown a business, I've gone through like all sorts of God knows what, and my athletic goal at this time is to crush a watermelon with my thighs.
Nailed it. I did it and I was so surprised that I actually did it. I mean, you've seen the video, I think, right? Laura? Like, yeah. Oh yeah. My shock of, I just did this anyway. I, I didn't have the ca the capability of doing that. I was a very strong athlete. I played collegiate volleyball. I w you know, was already doing triathlons, blah, blah, blah.
I didn't have that ability before I was a mother, you know? Mm-hmm. Like, and it was a stupid goal, but it was like, no, [00:09:00] this is a goal that I have set for myself. And it was well, years in the making, and I did it. I crushed a fricking watermelon with my eyes. Pure magic. I'm proud of you. I'm so proud. Thank you.
Thank you. And not many people can say that they've done that, so, no. I mean, I'd love to see other people like, just get on board with that. It's, it's a, it's a really empowering. And pie. It's a great, like midsummer kind of activity. Yeah. Did you eat it though? Of
Laura: course I did. Okay, good. No, no one real is wasted in the, in the bursting.
No, no, no. I,
Lindsay: so I did it on top of a, a garbage bag so that I could collect the juice and then I just like slurped it off of the garbage bag and then I eat. Oh, it tasted that much sweeter. It was the best watermelon I've ever had. So, good. Okay.
Laura: Well now that we, I feel like everyone now knows
Lindsay: you. If they didn't
Laura: listen previously, go back
Lindsay: and listen to her early
Laura: episodes and then we were just jumped right in.
But I do wanna give a formal intro, so just in case, because you have a lot of accolades and a lot of experience and a lot of things that are very cool that I, I think it's important to share. So, Lindsay Muma . [00:10:00] Dr. Chiropractic is the owner of Triangle Chiropractic and Rehabilitation Center in Raleigh, North Carolina, a multidisciplinary practice she opened in 2012 after graduating from Palmer College of Chiropractic with the Clinical Excellence Award.
She teaches for the Motion Palpation Institute and Move Mentors. Her private practice focuses on rehabilitative chiropractic care across the lifespan and with a specific focus on prenatal and postpartum health. She's a wife, mother to two boys, speaker, life enthusiast and author of the Trimester series.
Your Pelvic Floor Sucks. And the top 50 in Health Subs, publication, Dr. Lindsay Mum's newsletter, which I love reading, and I love everything you're putting out, and I love that you've got off Instagram and you're just sharing a place and a platform that is not, I mean, that's a whole nother conversation, but there's not, um, you know, blocking your brilliance from Yeah.
Being shared into the universe. So, Thank you for you for being here. We were laughing before we hopped on cuz we've rescheduled this so
Lindsay: many times. Most recently, I I it's like six times maybe. Yep.
Laura: Probably five of those. Of because of me and life and you [00:11:00] know, appendix, rupture,
Lindsay: but then I double booked myself.
Yeah. And yeah, it was the whole thing. We did it, we're here and I sat little, a little prayer right before I sent the text, like 30
Laura: minutes where we're gonna hop on. I'm like, is this, is this, is this actually we good? Are we actually doing it? Because I have re scheduled and that's the thing. So Indy's napping, Rusty's resting Evie's at four school and I have this little you and me in the kitchen.
Yeah. And here we are in my living room. So let's chat. I would, you know, usually I do an icebreaker question of some sort, but it almost feels comical at this point. Cause I feel like the watermelon and the ice have both been broken. But what,
Lindsay: if any, like what, what are you,
Laura: if any, I'm sure there's things you're excited about right now.
It's
Lindsay: May 3rd. Second May. Third May 3rd May. Third May
Laura: is up here on the Pacific Northwest. It's like we've had a couple days where it's this teaser like. Gorgeous. Almost summer weather, which I took girls. Yeah. I quit everything yesterday afternoon, took the girls to the lake, you know, we just were in it and I'm so giddy.
So I'm curious to know, what are you most excited about as we move into warmer weather and sunshine and
Lindsay: summertime? [00:12:00] So we did our, my staff, we have a, like a quarterly staff fund event. It's, we call it quarterly mandated fund, like mandates of all kinds. It is actually optional. So for QM F yesterday we went paddle boarding.
It was the first time that I had been back on my paddle board since last fall. And so that's something that, you know, us, us as a family of four, we have really enjoyed doing and we did a lot of it last summer and fall and so I'm really looking forward to that. But you say this is, I'm just gonna share. A ridiculous thing, but when you said that it's May 3rd, I was like, what is May 3rd?
What is May 3rd? It was my grandfather's second wedding day. And so the, this is just, this is why like reading my bio doesn't give you any information about me. It just tells you like things I've done, but it doesn't really explain who I am because I'm still figuring that out. So I don't know how to put that into like, you know, character limits and like, not a, not a, an essay about me on this journey of life.
But 20 years ago today, cuz it was 2003, [00:13:00] my grandfather got married and it was right before he turned 79. And I went Turkey hunting that morning with my brother Yeah. And my high school boyfriend. And we were out for like 20 minutes and I shot a Turkey. And that's not in case anyone has ever gone hunting, ever.
Like it's, it's like an endeavor and you, it's like a day. Right. But, you know, we knew we had my grandpa's wedding to go to and my brother was actually in the wedding because, like no holds barred. He was the favorite grandchild because he was the only one who was going to carry on the family name cuz my grandfather had five daughters and one son.
And that was like the end of the name. Right. My brother now has boys, so like the, the SAP family name shall continue. But, so my, my boyfriend like called in the Turkey and then I shot a Turkey. I had braids in my hair, so I unbraided my hair. So it was like wavy. And then I went to my grandpa's wedding and it was just like the most wonderful weird day ever.
Oh my gosh. 20 years. That's a good 20 years ago today, did I. [00:14:00] Damn. I just like, my, my grandpa's birthday is May 7th, and I know that cuz like my grandpa was one of my favorite people. And so I just found it amusing that like, the week that he was gonna turn 79, he got married. Yeah. You know, and it was just cute.
And I shot a Turkey that day and I've never been Turkey hunting since then. But
Laura: what I would've loved to be, be there for that. Like, that's one of those things where someone tells you a story about an event and you're sometimes like, okay, yeah, yeah. But this is when I'm like, oh my God.
Lindsay: Can I, can I, yeah.
What a day. Can we just, can we have a repeat? Yeah. So I, I have the, like I have a couple of feathers from the Turkey and those are the, the feathers that I use when I do like smoke cleansing because certain feathers are great for that. So. Oh, that's cool.
Laura: Yeah. So we're, you're an expert on public floor health and clearly so much else.
Lindsay: I, I cannot say I'm really an expert on anything. I just am genuinely curious about enough things that it's, you know, fun, right? That's, I mean, what lesson, right? I can't imagine being [00:15:00] bored. I ju it sounds like it might be nice, but my brain is too excited about things to be born.
Laura: Oh, I feel you on that. It never, it never literally never stops.
And we talk about that a lot on the podcast. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Well, I love it. Okay, so turkeys, weddings, grandpa's,
Lindsay: paddle boarding. That's where we went. But you, you said the date and I was like, oh my gosh. But that's a special date. That's what today is. That's why I was wondering, you know, like a date comes across and you're like, whose birthday is it?
What am I missing? You know? Yeah, yeah. Why
Laura: is this on my radar? Maybe you were meant to record today for that reason.
Lindsay: For that reason, for the Turkey, for very reason. And my grandpa. Your grandpa.
Laura: I love him. Yep. I love him too. Very cool. Okay. Well, let's talk about where you've been and what you've been up to since.
You last came on the podcast, which I should actually look
Lindsay: up the specific, I, I think that probably had to be 2020
Laura: maybe 2021. Yeah, it was 2020. I remember. I remember recording with you sitting in, oh my gosh. Sitting in our, our, my bedroom in our house that we were renting in the Santa Cruz mountains before we got evacuated by fires.
Lindsay: Yes. Oh my gosh. [00:16:00] It was right before the fires. Yeah. So I remember I was in my old office. Yeah. Which means it was
Laura: like we're coming up on three years ago. Yeah. Which is pretty wild. So it's been a while. I mean, you and I have chatted, but not as much as I would love to be honest. Right. Same. You're still doing something very much the same and something's differently.
So if you wanna give us just like a brief, like, Hey, here's life since
Lindsay: I would love to hear it. Here's life since Yeah. So. We moved my chiropractic co office into a new location. So I have two female associate chiropractors right now. I just brought in a male for the first time since I ha, I actually did have a male chiropractor who covered when I went on maternity leave and then he rented space for me for a little while.
But, so Dr. Corey Bailey is, has just joined us as of last week, and then we have an acupuncture. She was definitely there in 2020 cuz she started in 2019. We moved into a new space. A little over two years ago. It's gorgeous. It's right next to the best primary care [00:17:00] physician in all of Raleigh. She's triple board certified, like integrative functional medicine to the nth degree.
She's, and she's like, functional medicine is really like watered down. I practice medicine with a capital M, is what I like to say. And she does. It's a gorgeous space. It's closer to my house, but we actually bought land, we bought five acres last year and we are currently working on house plans. We're building a moon wood house, which, oh my god, Laura, you would love.
So moon wood is a nice little rabbit hole that you can go down because I get into weird places on the internet. I first heard about it on a Ben Greenfield podcast. It was just like mentioned in passing, and I remember I wrote myself filters. What's that? I think I just bought some of his filters. This is water filters.
Oh yeah, yeah. Okay. So I like wrote myself, I was about to get on a plane and I was like Moon Wood for a house, like wrote myself an email so that I would check it later, and then I never checked it. And then a couple weeks later I was clearing out my inbox and I was like, oh yeah. Oh that's right. These notes from this Ben Greenfield podcast that I was, you know, like sort of paying attention to.
So Moon Wood, [00:18:00] is it not a type of wood? It's the way that the wood is harvested. So the trees are felled only in the fall and winter because that's when there's the least amount of daylight. Not just during the day, but also near the new Moon, because now there's also the least amount of light during the night.
So the trees are their least active. So any of the nutrients that are contained within the trees, you cut off the side branches and all of the sap that is contained within the tree goes out to the branches that are left on the top of the tree. You leave it in the forest. To like allow itself to, you know, get all of its nutrients out to the leave so that the tree can actually do what it is trying to do when it recognizes like, okay, this is the beginning of the next life cycle that we need to make sure that that, you know, the, that we can essentially pollinate, right?
So all of the nutrients leave the tree. So then the, the wood is dry but not brittle, and then it doesn't have to be finished or treated with anything. They literally plain the wood and sand it. And then you build a house out of that gorgeous, beautiful wood that's been in the forest for three weeks and is flame retardant and is [00:19:00] mold and pest resistant just by its nature.
And you don't have any off gassing of anything. So we're going to be building a moon wood house, which I'm pretty psyched about. We bought the land last year. We'll probably build next year. And my office had a horrible, tragic loss. Last year, we lost my friend and back office manager, Mary, if you heard about the shootings in Raleigh, she was killed in those.
And so that was, that was, that was garbage. That was shit. But she, there's, there have been so many beautiful things about her, her presence that are still absolutely happening all of the time. She had a very contagious cly laugh that, like you, if you just get quiet enough, you can hear her. And so that's been like an ongoing challenge for the past six plus months.
Yeah. But, and then I wrote a book, so I was like in the process of writing the book when Mary was killed, and that was like hard to [00:20:00] get sort of back on track with. But I was absolutely affirmed, like, I will do this. And strangely enough, you know, like I have wonderful staff and we're a very close-knit bunch.
Her name is the only one that I actually mentioned in the book, which is just funny, right? Like, she's not even one of the other providers. But she was two weeks away from getting married when she was killed in, her fiance had been talking about the blue of his suit and she was like, what color blue? And he was like, I don't know, blue.
And she was like, van Gogh didn't go to the paint store looking for blue. Like, we need nuance here. And, and so taking kind of that level of nuance to proprioception, like how you feel your body and what you can recognize in your body, that's, that's what I encourage readers to do in the book is like differentiate between what is pressure and what is pulling differentiate between what feels heavy and what feels tight.
And the more that you can have nuance there, you know, the more beautiful that that it can be. And [00:21:00] her story of, you know, Her fiance getting ready for their wedding was the story that I chose to use. And so she's the only one of my staff members is named in my book, which is kind of, kind of perfect, you know?
So yeah, so that's like the whole generalized life update. Okay. Uh, I'm still homeschooling my two kids. And how old are they now? They're, they are six and a half and nine and a half. Holy smokes. I'm gonna be a mom for a whole decade in August, which is crazy. That's incredible. Mm-hmm. Hey there, friends, pausing this episode to share a bit about our wonderful friend Brianna White, a fantastic real estate agent based in Bend, Oregon.
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Laura: accomplishments. I know I'm a little biased, but I feel like that's the best one we can ever, we can ever have.
Yeah,
Lindsay: they're they're incredible dudes. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. They're really, they're, they're special little men. Yeah. I love it. You
Laura: have two little guys and I've got two little girls and two little girls. Yep. Someday, I'm sure they'll meet and kick it off immediately and it's gonna be great. Yes.
Lindsay: Naturally. Yeah. I love it.
Yeah. Cool. Okay,
Laura: well I want, I really wanna take more time to just talk, talk book here and talk. Mm-hmm. The floor socks and my dog's making noise, so excuse her.
Lindsay: She's gotten a little
Laura: senile and like can't hear [00:24:00] and the poor thing. Oh, sweet thing. She always chooses her
Lindsay: timing beautifully. Anyways,
Laura: so your pelvic floor sucks.
Give us like, you know, the elevator quote, unquote elevator pitch. You and I are on an elevator. You're, or you're, we're at the airport and you're looking at the book and I see it and I'm like,
Lindsay: huh. Tell me about it. What would you say? I would say that as a cat refractor who treats. A, a range of musculoskeletal disorders.
One of the ones that I find is not brought up enough and is occurring more than people realize is pelvic floor dysfunction. And so I wanted to make practitioners aware that this was happening more than they thought, because a lot of women actually lie to their doctors about this and not, I don't think it's an intentional thing, but they're not telling the truth about it.
So we have some studies that were done on women who were over 65 in 2018, and almost half of them weren't telling their doctors about their symptoms and, but they were reporting that their symptoms were disrupting their daily life. So whether it's because their doctor previously said, oh, there's nothing we can do about it, or [00:25:00] because they were embarrassed, or whatever the reason.
We are not hearing from our patients that this is happening. So then on the flip side of that, I also wanted to offer a resource for patients to understand that yes, this is something that sucks and there's something I can do about it. So I've basically made sort of a guidebook for how to improve pelvic floor function by addressing a multitude of musculoskeletal dysfunctions that occur in the body that all impact the pelvic floor.
How long was that and should I recreate it in the next elevator I'm in. Okay. So
Laura: the book is made. The book is beneficial. The book is, what I appreciate so much is that it's not just like a, here are all the things wrong, but like you mentioned, it's, it's more of a guidebook. So you can pick up the book Yeah.
And finish reading it and immediately implement tools, strategies, movements, et cetera.
Lindsay: Yes. The end of each chapter has an exercise like at the end of chapter one, here's your exercise, end of chapter two, here's your exercise. And they build upon each other. And what I wanted to do was like, I wanna help everybody.
You know? I mean that's, I think anybody [00:26:00] who gets into healthcare in any capacity, whether it's fitness or like traditional medical setting or allied health professionals, anything, I think we wanna help everybody, even if we niche, right? Like I love working with the prenatal and postpartum population. I love working with perimenopause and menopausal women, but I also love hanging out with my, you know, 64 year old guy who's trying to get better at his golf swing.
Yeah. You know, that's not my ideal market, but I love working with those patients cause I wanna help everybody. And he, that guy has a pelvic floor too, and I think people forget about that. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. So I wanted to help everybody and I'm like, okay, but I only have these two hands and these two hands that I'm able to put on someone else's body and actually like give the gift of touch.
I know what I can do there and I know that I can help that, but I have this. Capacity as a solo practitioner. Well, I can hire other chiropractors who can do like really similar things to me and they can help more people. So this is, this is great, but, but the scalability of [00:27:00] that to the masses doesn't really exist.
And so what I love about a book is that, you know, I'll get, especially like since I've started teaching more so, you know, teaching continuing education for chiropractors and chiropractic students, you know, they would love to bend my ear and get my opinion on this or that or whatever. Well, if I actually charge my hourly rate for some of the things that, that, you know, people would like to ask me about, I've become very expensive very quickly because I have paid a lot of money and put a lot of time into being able to understand the, you know, more of the nuance of how these things work and function.
And that doesn't mean that. I don't have time to do things like consultations or whatever, but they're not really how I wanna spend my time, because that takes a lot of time to do, and it doesn't allow me to immediately help one person who's in front of me. But if I can make this where I can actually help as many people as possible, then [00:28:00] I'm gonna put something out there that's like 20 ish bucks, right?
You're not paying the hourly rate that it took for me to write the book. You're not paying the hourly rate that it takes to get on the phone with me. You know, like I am able to help so many people. And like there are people in multiple other, I actually haven't checked my, the Kindle behind the scenes sort of reports recently, but the last time that I checked there were five other countries outside of North America where people have my book and I'm like, how did you even find this?
This is so exciting, right? But like there's no way in hell that I would ever put my hands on those people and be able to impact them, but I can put my book in their hands and now they can impact their own life and they can find a team of practitioners. That's one of the things too that like in the book, a lot of people are like, oh, well I tried this, I tried that.
I tried this. Well have, you know, just because you did PT doesn't mean that you did pelvic pt. And just because you did pelvic PT doesn't mean you saw the right practitioner. And just because you've done chiropractic well, if your chiropractor said, Hey, I wanna see you for the next three weeks, and you showed up for one week and it didn't work, quote, right?
That [00:29:00] doesn't mean you did chiropractic care. Like, consider the things that you've tried, maybe the things that you could have tried to their fullest extent. And then the things that you haven't tried yet that you know about. And then the things that you don't even know that you could try because there's so much help to be offered, especially because pelvic floor dysfunction is multifactorial.
So some people have significant emotional impacts to their pelvic floor. And by, when I say some people, I mean most people, there's probably not anybody who doesn't have emotional impacts to the pelvic floor. But, you know, and that's one of the things that I shared about in my book. So like, as I was finishing writing, you know, I had, I had a flare up of hemorrhoids that I hadn't had in years.
The day of Mary's memorial service. Right. So we had her celebration of life and that night I was like, what the hell? I have hemorrhoids flamed up right now and I haven't had this in forever. Well, yeah, probably a significant amount of emotional distress. It was my wedding anniversary, which Mary and I were supposed to share.
I was supposed to be at her wedding and instead I delivered the eulogy at her celebration of life. That's a, an emotionally challenging situation. [00:30:00] And my lowest chakras and the base of what holds up my torso was like, I can't do this anymore. Right. So there's something emotional. Yes. Something had to give.
And so like, cool, great. It's my anus. Fantastic. Like, which if we're looking at like a
Laura: hierarchy perhaps in that moment, like that's, you know, kind of makes sense. You
Lindsay: know what, yeah. Like, let's just throw the ass out because that's, this is gonna be fine. She can recover. And honest to God, like with. Like exercises that I shared in the book and a little bit of homeopathic support.
Within five days I felt normal. So like it was, you know, low man on the totem pole, that one could go out and then we can recover quickly. But like when you have emotional input, it's like, okay, well maybe you've done the, the physical component of healing, but have you worked with a spiritual advisor or spoken to a counselor or had like a laughing session with your girlfriends?
Because all of those things are medicine for your body that can actually make you have a healthier pelvic floor. And it sounds crazy for me to just [00:31:00] say that on a one-off, but like over the course of 275 pages, you're gonna believe me because there are so many things that are affecting your pelvic floor that you weren't thinking of.
And if you are slumped over your computer and you're like slouched into this terrible posture, well your pelvic floor is taking a beating. And if you have thought that using a squatty potty is a ridiculous idea, well your pelvic floor is taking a beating. And if you have super dysfunctional feet and you're running around in heels all day, your pelvic floor is taking a beating.
Like all of these things add up your pelvic floor not functioning. So like how can we take the components of your life, make them better so that you have the outcome that you want, which is having a functioning pelvic floor. You have a pelvic floor, that doesn't suck. Isn't that wonderful? Imagine that.
Imagine that.
Laura: Very cool. Oh my gosh. The power of. Knowledge really. I mean, it sounds so cliche like knowledge is power, but it really is and so, but it really is,
Lindsay: and I'm like, go for it. Go ahead.
Laura: I'll just say the disconnect is like people don't understand oftentimes, and some of our listeners do. We've talked about this kind of thing before.
I [00:32:00] am like a broken record. Everything you just said to me, I'm like, yeah, obviously. But it's not obvious for most people. The disconnect between our physical bodies and our mental and emotional health so much could be resolved if we could just, you know, Think about that a little bit more and focus on that a little bit more and just, right.
Lindsay: You know, give it some love, give, give our mind down bodies love. And, and when you give it some love. And so, like, part of the book too is like, um, kind of guiding readers through here's, you know, I want you to triage. Is it that we've addressed breathing? I have an entire chapter on breathing. And the thing is like, breathing is having a moment.
Breathing is having a moment. Ice baths are having a moment, right? Like they're, you know, people are, are coming in and they're like, yeah, I've really been working on this breath work. And then they take a breath and it goes immediately to their secondary breathing muscle. So they're like elevating their shoulders because they've got their scaling fired up and they're using their levator trap in order to elevate their scapula so that they can get more air into their lungs.
Well, no, i, I get that you're focusing on breath work, but also like it's a really dysfunctional breath that you just took. And I need you to take, I need you to use your whole core for this breath. I need you to get breath all the [00:33:00] way down to your pelvic floor because if your diaphragm lowers and your pelvic floor doesn't move because you're holding tension, right?
So we have breathing, we have tension. Those two things are not gonna work together. And now your pelvic floor is not gonna function well. But if you peel it back a little bit and you actually focus on having a more functional breath, well now you can actually get benefit out of the breath work, aside from the, the mental and emotional wellness benefits that you get from breath work.
But you can actually have physical benefits from the breath work that you're getting, right? So like people, you know, like they're, they're, they're whim h has exploded recently. I remember when I hosted my first whim H workshop, and people were like, wait, what? Like, it was completely unbeknownst to that people would sit in ice and I was like, they made me do this in college.
Like this, this has been around before. I was, you know, really interested in it. But now people are like, oh yeah, of course the plunge Lizzo did it. Right? Like, you know, it's, it's like having, it's having a moment, okay, well how can we use this to our advantage? People are [00:34:00] paying attention to breath work.
Well, if we can get them doing a functional breath instead of. A dysfunctional breath, well, now they can double down on their rewards, right? Mm-hmm. Now, when they actually are practicing, you know, maybe they're doing whim h breathing, or maybe they're just intentionally working on, you know, alignment of their, of their chakras, or they're doing some deep yogic breathing or breath of fire or anything like that.
If they're doing that and they're doing it from a functional standpoint, well now our pelvic floor can actually be improved by that rather than actually. Deterred by that. Mm-hmm. So, you know, we go over breathing, we go over posture, we go over jaw mechanics, which is another big kind of play into the, into the pelvic floor, foot mechanics as well.
Tension that you just generally hold in your body and, and when you add all of those things together, well now this recipe involves you getting healthier overall. And I wanna help people figure out like what is the most important thing? Because to you, you know, you pick up the [00:35:00] book, obviously you either are just a curious person or you have some amount of pelvic floor dysfunction.
So what you want is to get a pelvic floor that functions better. But what you might need is less dysfunction of the bunion on your big toe. And if you address the bunion mm-hmm then your pelvic floor will most likely improve. As a result of that, you kind of have to find the, you know, you have to become your own triage nurse.
Like, okay, somebody comes in, what's the most important thing that we need to take care of right now? It's not the person who has, you know, a broken thumb. It's the person who has a gunshot wound. Like we have to triage. We have to take care of the most important thing that that comes into the room right now.
Well, the, the most important thing on your body isn't necessarily the thing that's making the most noise. It's just the thing that is the most dysfunctional. And so I try to walk readers through how to find that thing so that they can focus on it. And then I encourage them, I want you to focus on that one thing for three weeks and see what happens.
And then focus on the next dysfunctional [00:36:00] thing. And it's not like trying to find the problems that you have with your body, it's just recognizing like, oh, this could be a little bit better. You know, I could do this a little bit better. Oh, we could make a tweak here and that would make a difference. And if you focus on those things and you just kind of work at them for a little bit.
Well, over the course of a couple of weeks, you've made a huge difference in how your body functions. That's pretty exciting to me. Super exciting
Laura: and celebrating the little wins. Like I, I just feel like we kind of also just don't do that enough. You know?
Lindsay: I'm ready to celebrate anything at any given point in time.
Love it. Me
Laura: too. Cheers to that. Okay. Cheers to that. I'm
Lindsay: here for the celebrations. I love it. Very
Laura: cool. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Okay, so the book is, you're doing
Lindsay: a book tour. I'd love to talk a little bit about that. No, so I'm doing a podcast tour for my book, cuz this is apparently how you are, are supposed to like promote your book now.
So I did a book signing in Las Vegas. Okay. Because I was speaking at an event there. So that was like, that was my firm, [00:37:00] firm, firm deadline. I was like, I'm gonna write a book and I'm speaking about incontinence at this, the largest chiropractic conference, that's the Parker Seminar in Las Vegas. So I will have my book launched by that time and I will.
Do a book signing there and like, you know, had talked to Parker University about like, doing that in the Parker Seminar, people about having that there. And then, I mean, we were in Under the Wire, like my book was finally complete the week before that. And I launched it the day before the Parker Seminar started.
So I did a book signing there, and then I did a book signing in Raleigh just because, you know, like that's where I live and that's where my people are. Yeah. And then I have like, I have a new spot that I'm doing this month actually in Ohio, which I grew up in Ohio, 15 minutes away from where the East Palestine train derailment happened.
And so I'm going up there, I'm speaking at the graduation for my high school and I'm getting inducted into my high school's hall of fame, which it's cute. It's real, it's really sweet. Like it's a very sweet, kind, [00:38:00] wonderful honor. I graduated from a high school that has 400 people in it, so it's not like a.
You know, it's just cute. It's cute. That's why I'm going up there. So I'm doing like a little, I don't know what it is, a spotlight thing on their like local TV station. So some of that and like a couple of shows on local Raleigh tv. So that's cool. But that's like, that's it. I'm not like going places and signing books cuz I guess people don't do that really that much anymore.
I don't know. I mean, I could, but like I travel all over the place anyway, so I usually just like run into students and like, Hey, I have my book, can you sign in? I'm like, sure. Oh my gosh, that's gonna
Laura: feel so cool. And like, what a full people moment. Uh, you know, really having this like, inspiration to be able to reach more people and then to have people stop you and ask you to sign your book and just, yeah, the concert, it's kind of weird, you know, I wrote something and it's in people's hands and it's in the student's hands who are then gonna, you know, take in this content and this information and then go help you know,
Lindsay: other people.
Yeah, yeah. I mean the ripple. So that's what, you know, I, I thought about writing a book just for doctors because I had presented on working on the pelvic floor from the outside because some chiropractors in some [00:39:00] states with some specific licensing are. Allowed and capable and very wonderful at doing internal pelvic floor work.
Mm-hmm. Most chiropractor licenses have some stipulations, like actually in North Carolina we can do internal pelvic floor work, but I have really great pelvic PTs that I refer to, so I just refer to them instead of doing internal pelvic floor work myself. So I do everything from the outside of the body.
And I think a lot of people shy away from working with pelvic floor dysfunction because they think they have to do internal work. That's not true at all. So, When I did this, the first presentation, which I, it was just crazy. I got to be, I was on the stage right before Michael Phelps came out. Like, what?
Wow. Who, how did that happen? Where like, that's cool. You know, like this was a, this was a really big deal for me because I really, I kind of thought that my, my teaching days were done when I had, you know, left an organization that I was part of and I was like, I guess maybe I'm not doing that anymore. And then my mentor asked [00:40:00] if I would teach for the Motion Palpation Institute, which was always like, you know, kinda like the watermelon crushing thing.
It was always just like a back of mind sort of dream of mine to be able to teach for this organization. That was so helpful to me. And so I started doing that. And then because of that, I got hooked up with a Parker seminar people, and then they were like, Hey, we want you to speak from the main stage. And then I look at the itinerary and Michael Phelps comes on 30 minutes after I leave this stage.
There's like a break. And I was like, well, I open for Michael Phelps. What feels pretty big? This feels kinda big. Unfortunately I didn't get to meet him. I was really hoping that we like might cross paths, but they like cleared my stuff out of the green room, like where you would go on before stage.
They're like, Hmm, security did a sweep. We had to move your stuff. I was like, oh dang it. I was hoping as they hi to Mike, but that didn't happen. Anyway, when I presented, I was talking about addressing the pelvic floor from the outside of the body and I thought it was like super basic stuff and I had so many people come up to me afterward just like, wow, I learned so much.
Like this was really great. Like where could I learn more? And I didn't really have anywhere to send them. So I was like, okay, [00:41:00] I'm gonna write a book because I wanna be able to send these people someplace and I don't wanna send them to like a class. Because I mean, realistically, you know, 2019 online classes were such a great idea and even in the beginning of 2020, online classes were like a necessity as well as a good idea.
And now people are just like, yeah, you know, I did like one third of that and I never finished it. So I didn't want that. Like there are a million books on my shelf that I haven't actually finished, but I have at least done a pretty good job of, of making my way through more, more of them than I have online classes that I've bought.
You know, honestly. So I was like, you know what? I can put more information in, I can make the price point lower because I can reach more people. I'm gonna write a book and I'm not gonna write it just for chiropractors, just for professionals of any sort. I'm gonna write it for everybody. So I gotta figure out a way to like make this applicable to people who are putting their hands on people.
And then also people who are just on their own and they're on an island and they're looking for help. And I would love to be able to help them, but maybe they don't live near me. And I want, I want them to know that there [00:42:00] are resources, here are the things they can do for themselves. And here are places where you can go and find other people.
Like these are the types of practitioners that you might be looking for. So, Yeah, so I wrote a book. You
Laura: wrote a book. And now, without giving too much of the book away, because I want
Lindsay: everything, oh, I'll give away whatever, go buy the book because I want, like, you know, in an hour long podcast, we're not gonna get to everything.
But like, I'll give away whatever you want. I love it. And
Laura: I, you know, I feel like sending people off, you know, with some actionable things, or maybe even starting with like, I would say probably the answer here is almost everyone has at least an issue with their pelvic floor. Yes. But what are some like telltale signs?
So someone's listening and they're like, ah, you know, I, I'm, I'm fine, but maybe they'd be surprised. So what, what are some like your top three cues that someone might have an
Lindsay: issue? So here, here's the thing, is that this is what, this, this is part of that, like, going back to the, the title of the book, right?
No. Your public floor sucks because if you leaked urine, Out of some part of your body, every single [00:43:00] time that you laughed, you would get that shit checked out. Mm-hmm. Like, you would not, you would not be okay if every single time you laughed, your elbow started leaking. That would not be funny. Laura.
Laura: I'm just the elbow and leaking.
I just, I
Lindsay: can't, it's ridiculous. Right, right. So, how is it that we're accepting that you might, oh, you might just dribble a little bit of urine if you chuckle too hard. Mm-hmm. Right. Well, so then th this is where like the, the, almost like defensive excuses come up whenever I talk to patients about stress urinary incontinence.
So stress urinary incontinence is that you have additional pressure onto your bladder and your pelvic floor and you leak urine as a result of it. So that would be running, jumping, coughing, laughing, sneezing, those types of activities. You do that and you leak any amount of urine that is dysfunction.
That is not laughable. That is not, it's fine. As long as I'm wearing a pad that is not, it's okay. As long as I have dark leggings on that is not, [00:44:00] it's mostly good as long as my bladder's not full. Right? Like that's the way that patients describe it. Like, oh no, I don't have any of that. And then I ask further questions.
And so then like I end up with the Mac daddy question. I'm like, what about a trampoline park? Because you know what, I have a heck of a lot of fun when I go to the trampoline park because I practice my back flips. I'm doing all kinds of crazy stuff and I really enjoy it. And I, my, I'm having as much fun at the trampoline park as my kids are, and I see so many women standing on the sidelines.
Yeah. Is that because you don't wanna jump? Because I'm like, this is just the most joyful thing you could do. I'm gonna bounce around and I'm gonna have the most fun ever. But if you can't do that because you're afraid that you're gonna leak urine everywhere, then that's no longer a joyful experience.
That's no longer a fun thing. And it's not because you're not a fun person and it's not because you don't wanna enjoy that time with your kids. And that's not, not because that's just for kids. Yeah, it's because your pelvic floor could use some support and I'd love to be able to help you there, right? So any amount of urinary leakage, if you have prolapse that's urinary, or excuse me, that's uterine or bladder [00:45:00] or E like even we get to, you know, talking about hemorrhoids, where we have thrombosing of the hemorrhoids, those types of things, you might feel heaviness or pressure in the pelvic floor.
Those symptoms are organs are now lower than where they're supposed to be. That's complete dysfunction of the pelvic floor. And then, you know, like you can, you can have urge incontinence, which isn't, it's not necessarily pressure on the pelvic floor, it's like a timing thing. So your bladder gets full without fully signaling to you that the bladder is filling.
So then instead of like, oh, you know, I'm gonna have to pee in a little bit, I'm gonna need to make sure I know where a bathroom is in this place. It's like, you have to pee and you have to pee right now because if not, you're gonna leak. So urge incontinence, stress incontinence and prolapse are probably, you know, kind of top three, but there are a variety of pelvic floor dysfunction things.
So NIA is a whole plethora, which, which means pain within your external female genitalia. And those things [00:46:00] are, are, Nia is more rare, but it is, it's quite prevalent despite that stress urinary incontinence. The, the statistics on it, which we know that the st the statistics are under reported is one in three to one in five women, depending on which study that you look at.
So I say like, at least one in four women has stressed urinary incontinence. Mm-hmm. And we know from that 2018 study that I was talking about earlier, that over half of those women aren't saying anything to their doctor. Like this is an epidemic.
Laura: Yeah. It's been so unor like, so
Lindsay: normalized. And so what I tell what I say in the book is that there's just hand waving.
Like it's not a, a real term, it's just like, oh, like kind of waving off a nat. I wanna get that out of the way. Like, oh, that's no big deal. You know, you open the door for somebody and they're like, thanks so much. And you're like, oh, it's nothing. You know, you throw your hand up a little hand waving. We've, we've hand waved the idea that pelvis floor dysfunction is normal.
Ah, that's just one of those things. After you have kids, that's just one of those things that happens whenever you [00:47:00] hit perimenopause. That's just one of those things that happens when you hit menopause. That's just one of those things when you get pregnant, that's just one of those things when you do too many double unders, like all of that is bs.
Mm-hmm. And we can and should expect better because our bodies should function, and when they don't, then we should be able to reach out to practitioners and figure out, okay, why is my body communicating this dysfunction? And how can I help decipher what these communications are and improve their signaling?
And that's what I want for everybody. Mm-hmm. Whether they have pelvic floor dysfunction or not, but a lot of people do. A lot of people can't have an orgasm or can't have a full stream of urine without any disruption or dysfunction. Males have pelvic floor dysfunction as well. Mm-hmm. If they get their prostate removed, they are more likely to have erectile dysfunction and incontinence after that surgery.
That's a huge deal. It's a huge [00:48:00] disruption of life and a ton of people in nursing homes are there because they cannot control their bladder. Because if you start having accidents at home and like, how long are people gonna clean up that somebody's gotta change your depends, you know? So now that quickly becomes a nursing home situation.
So, you know, it's, it's one thing when there's like, oh yeah, I just did too many double unders and now I peed in ha ha ha. To actually now. Grandma's gotta go into a nursing home because nobody's willing to clean up her urine and feces. Hello, my love's Jess here. Have you heard of a favorite things party before?
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Laura: And you think about like folks in nursing homes who are like fully lucid and like there's life left, but then there're stuck there because
Lindsay: they, they can't hold because of some physical ailment. Yeah. Yeah. If that's not especially a physical elm that we can do something about. Yes. Yeah. Like, yeah, so the, the trampoline park, I actually, I reached out to them.
I haven't heard back yet. It's weird. But I reached out to 'em because I was like, Hey, do you wanna sell my book here? Because I mean, you just put up brilliant. Like we can put up a bookstand that's at the front, says your pelvic floor sucks. Uh, I don't even care if you just like rent them out as like a library.
Like, right, like while you're sitting here watching your kid jump read the book, because then the next time you come back, maybe you actually get on the trampoline cuz you've done some exercises. You've improved your breathing, you've improved your posture, you worked on your foot mechanics. Now all of a sudden, like you feel better.
You found yourself a provider that was willing to listen to you and actually take your concerns seriously and took it seriously that you wanted to get better. Like, Yeah. Why don't you [00:51:00] sell my book, defy Gravity? And they, I'm still waving to hear back from the, I feel like you have to talk to someone in person
Laura: because Yeah.
You, you've got a way with words. Very convincing.
Lindsay: That's why they need to read the book. I have a way with words. That's, that's the other thing. It's like, I, I really did try to make the book enjoyable for people to read. Mm-hmm. And honestly, because I don't know how else to do things, but like, you know, you know my newsletter, I, people tell me all the time that they can hear me say what it is that I write a hundred percent.
And to be quite honest with you, I don't know how the hell else you would do it. Like, am I supposed to be using someone else's words? I don't like, I think you have such a like unique. Specific
Laura: effective style of communicating. And so, and that very much comes across in your writing.
Lindsay: Well, thank you. Which I love.
What what a very wonderful compliment. Thank you. But like, I, I want for people to take the words that I'm saying, learn something from it, but like, not in a way that makes you fall asleep. I want you to be actively engaged in this conversation so that [00:52:00] you can make your life better. Yeah. Not just your pelvic floor.
Like let's make your whole freaking life better. I'm here for it, you know, let's level up. I'm a life enthusiast. I'm into this stuff. I like it. I've lost too many people that I wish were still here, that I'm like, you know what? I'm just gonna be psyched about it. I'm gonna be psyched about being here. I'm gonna live while I'm here cuz I don't know how long I have.
Mm-hmm. And I'm sure that what evers on the other side of this is great too. But like for right now, I'm here and I'm gonna love it. And I'm gonna live it and I'm gonna do it to the best of my ability. And I wanna bring other people along for like the enjoyment of the ride, not just the ride. Yeah.
Laura: Not just the ride.
Yeah, just title it that, not just the ride. It has nothing to do. Not nothing to do with what
Lindsay: we're talking about, but not just the, I mean like we could definitely tie that title to the pelvic floor. Yeah, totally. Not just the ride. There's so many opportunities for
Laura: puns, innuendos here. I just can't. I love it.
Lindsay: Okay. Well let's say,
Laura: let's say now we've done the elevator or the airport pitch. What would be like some final [00:53:00] words you'd wanna leave? Our audience with anyone who's listening. And if you are listening and you're like, you're having some light bulb moments, perhaps this is a podcast episode you'd like to share with someone you love, CrossFit owners.
I see you.
Lindsay: I see you.
Laura: But yeah, so what would be like your, like kind of just the final thoughts you'd wanna leave someone with, and then I definitely want you to let everyone know where they can find you, all of that, but just some like final, like kick him in the pelvic floor,
Lindsay: thoughts in the pelvic floor.
Maybe don't do that. I think really just that there is hope that this isn't something that you're stuck with. You know this, this isn't something that you just hand wave away of. Well, that's just how it is. And welcome to the club and all of that. You know, like I think that pelvic floor dysfunction can be improved.
And don't discount the work that you can do on your own, but also finding the right team who can help you. Because it, and I, I have a whole list of practitioners, like you might not be thinking that massage therapy is part of your pelvic floor [00:54:00] dysfunction recovery, but it sure as heck could be. And, and maybe not for you specifically, but recognizing that, that a really great massage therapist might be the way for your girlfriend who has pelvic floor dysfunction to recover and walking with a shaman might be the way that you recover from your pelvic floor dysfunction.
Basically, like there's, there is help to be had. You don't have to just suck it up and deal with this. The other part is that it does take work, so you have to put in effort and energy that will give you different results, because if you keep doing the same thing, you're just gonna get the same thing. But if you're willing to make some change, and the other part of it, one of the things that I address, and I I, I got it from my late Kundalini yoga teacher, Guda ju, she talked about info dementia.
And it's not really a real thing except for it is because it's like you have so much information, you cannot sift through it, and you can't actually glean anything helpful out of [00:55:00] it. There's so much out there that's contradictory. There's so much out there that is confusing. You know, I do a lot of research review in the book because I want people to know, like, this is why your providers aren't necessarily agreeing about how to address your pelvic floor dysfunction.
It's because you can find a study to support just about anything. So being able to take that information and sift through it in a way that is approachable and in a way that suits you and your needs, that is possible. So it might take some work, it might take some effort, it might take some shopping around for some new providers, which then at that point now becomes a financial discussion, right?
Because you have to establish care with this new provider, and you try that out for a little bit, and then you try with another, you know, But there is hope and help to be had, and I'm just asking people to give it a try and to not give up because I think that in the next generation, [00:56:00] the thing that puts us in nursing homes is not our pelvic floors.
What is it? I don't know. Hopefully we don't go to nursing homes. I mean, like even the people who work there don't wanna be there. Right. It like, it's, it's not a place you wanna be. And there are wonderful people who work there. I'm not saying that, but like, it's, it's not like a joyous place to work. Yeah.
You know, you see people in their most vulnerable states who are, are not well enough to take care of themselves. Like we actually, I just watched it a couple of weeks ago cuz we record our weekly staff meetings and the last meeting that we had before Mary was killed, it was, it's like a, like an ongoing joke in our office is that the plan is to die young as late as possible.
That, that's the plan, right? Like my husband's grandfather had like two bad weeks. Like what a dream. Mm-hmm. He lived to be 86. The last two weeks of, of his life were not that great and that's it. Like he had a gr [00:57:00] I mean, he was in World War ii, so he probably, like, there were some other parts that weren't that great.
He, but he lived through some shit. He did some shit in his life. Okay. But like, he didn't slowly decline and live longer while living less. He lived a robust life and in the last two weeks of his life, he died. And that's like, that's the way I wanna go out. I wanna be young. As long as I can be young, I wanna be healthy.
As long as I can be healthy. And then I want the end of my life to like, I'd rather like end it with a cliff than like this very slow downward slope. Mm-hmm. Like, if I can live to a hundred and live to, you know, 99 years and 364 days being healthy, then great. But if I can only live to 86, then I'd like to do it in the same way.
I don't, I don't wanna live to a hundred when I should have died at 90. I wanna be young for as long as I can be young. I wanna be vibrant for as long as I can [00:58:00] be. I don't, I don't wanna be in a nursing home and lonely and sad while the world is spinning around me. You know, man, that got really existential and sad and deep, real quick.
But no, it's great. I think, I don't, I don't wanna go in, in a nursing home. Yeah. I wanna, you know, I wanna have full control of my bowel and my bladder,
Laura: and hopefully everyone listening here knows that, that you don't have to, you know, and if, if they leave, if you, if you leave with anything, just that like, and, and.
That improving your pelvic floor now can keep you from that sad existential, you know, like Yes. You, it's, it's, it's empowering. That's how I look at it. It's not depressing, it's empowering. Yeah.
Lindsay: Yes. You know, if you're sit here, like, I don't want that either. Take control right now. Yeah, exactly. Take control now, because there is help to be had.
I love it.
Laura: Yeah. Oh, wow. Well, that's good. Okay, so where can people find you
Lindsay: not on Instagram anymore? Try not on Instagram. Right? You, so my, my practice is on Instagram, so like, you'll see [00:59:00] me on there every once in a while. Like I, I do still submit things to Ashlyn is who runs our social media accounts. And so I'm like, Hey, here's something you can put up there.
But like, I don't actually like ever pull out my phone and like make a video for. Instagram because like the whole story of that is that I had gotten off because of my concussion in 2021 and I had been off for almost six months and I got an email that was like, Hey, did you try and log in from Brazil?
And I was like, Nope, nope. Sure didn't. Wasn't me. So I logged into my Instagram account and I got a notification that a post that I had done as a story, so a story from December of 2020 had been censored. And the last day that I was on Instagram was January 30th, 2021. So it had been at least six weeks since I posted something that disappeared after 24 hours.
And they went back and like posthumously censored it. I was like, oh my God, I'm out. Like I can't deal with this level of like this 30 disappeared [01:00:00] six weeks ago and you're still gonna censor it. Like there's no way in hell I'm coming back to this. Like, I thought I would just come back like once my brain was fully healed and I was just like, oh, I can't do this.
Hey, look at
Laura: that. What a metaphor. It's like pregnancy and postpartums an opportunity to, you know, you take some steps back, you come back, yeah. More empowered your brain had a little bit of an accident or had some steps back. Yep. And then you come back like,
Lindsay: With clarity. Yeah. So I like, I mean, I've, I always was maxing out Instagram's character limits anyway, because, you know, brevity is not my forte and I thought I was gonna write a 220 page book, so those extra 65 pages, you're welcome.
My bad. But, but 55, I'm sorry. I'm good at math. I'm better with words than I am at math. But, but so I started writing, I, I was regularly keeping up with my newsletter, which I used to write on MailChimp. And MailChimp is like a pretty popular kind of newsletter platform, so you can send to a lot of addresses and stuff.
And then I, I had heard about Sub and I tried it out and Sub is so fantastic because they haven't censored a [01:01:00] single person and like, that is a freaking stance to have in 2023. My gosh. Like, they, like, that's so ballsy. I love it so much. Hamish Mackenzie is the, the founder of CK and I've never met him or anything, but I've done like a couple of like, well, I, I did like one six week kind of growth thing.
It was a CK grow is what it was called for writers. Like, you know, here's how you can leverage writing on my, like, when I was on social media, you know, I had, I don't know, maybe like 3000 followers. It wasn't like a, a like a ton, right? But like that's a lot of people that I could be talking to and impacting and, and sharing good things with.
But I, on like maybe 200 people saw my stuff ever, right? So it was never like a huge reach, even if I had a lot of followers with subs. I have, I have less than that. I think I have like, I don't maybe 1200 subscribers. My open rate is over 55% every single week. And I write a weekly newsletter. Like the [01:02:00] people that have signed up to to hear from me on a regular basis are actually hearing from me because they go straight to their inbox and they're like, oh cool.
Yeah, and I just write about whatever the heck I wanna write about. So lindsay mumma.dot com is where you can actually find me, is the answer from the question that you asked me eight minutes ago
and go back, or like lindsay mumma.com will get you that. Triangle. crc.com is my practice, which is Triangle Chiropractic and Rehabilitation Center. Would you have to take a nap after you say that name? Which is why Triangle CRC is much more. Attainable. Yeah, so that's my practice in Raleigh and you can find me there, or you can find me@lindsaymumma.com, which will, you know, again, redirect me basically to my ck where you can hear from me on a regular basis if brevity is also not your forte and you like long-winded explanations.
Well, it's such fresh air with all the, like the freaking
Laura: memes and the, the, everyone's like, it's just how short can we, can we make things and how much can we leave out to kind of just.[01:03:00]
I want them. Neat. Yeah, totally. And we'll link to all of that in the show notes and I appreciate it. Yeah, go by
Lindsay: the book friends. Share with people. Yeah, so you can just go like, the world's largest bookstore is Amazon and that sucks in a variety of ways, but that's where my book is, or so you can find it on Amazon or you can go to your pelvic floor sucks.com.
Basically like if you think of it like something associated with Lindsay movement and you type that in and then you hit.com. That will probably let you find me. Perfect.
Laura: And, and I, I'll write all the the websites in there too, so we're gonna make it as easy as possible so that you can put that energy and effort into fixing your pelvic
Lindsay: floor.
Perfect. Thank you, Laura. I appreciate you so much. I
Laura: appreciate you and thank you everyone for listening. We're so grateful for this community. And we will chat with you at you next week. Chat soon. Bye. I dunno what to say.
Lindsay: Thanks for listening to our podcast. See you next time. Thanks for listening to our podcast.
See you next time. Bye.[01:04:00]